Here's another confounding bit of data to add to the stew:
_Genealogies of Virginia Families_ (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing
Co., 1981), vol. 5, p. 885 [listing children of Christopher II and
Mary Adams, citing Visitations of Yorkshire]: "Anne^10 [10th
generation from Sir John de Wormele of 1312] married her cousin,
Edward Wormeley, of Riccall, who died in 1670, aged 58. [b ca 1612]
"Jane^10 married her cousin, John Wormeley."
If Edward son of CWI died childless, then Edward b ca 1612 and John
presumably are the sons of Henry. Is it possible that Ralph was also
Henry's son? That would make him the correct generation to marry
Agatha (Eltonhead) Stubbins. Did Thomas W leave any sons? (I agree
with you that Thomas is probably a son of John, not of CWI.)

A problem with this narrative is that "Miss Wormeley", the author of
the article, places Ralph Wormeley of "Rosegill" (the Secretary) as a
son of CWII and Mary Adams. We know that he was the son of Ralph
Wormeley and Agatha Eltonhead from the deed cited by the Rutmans:
""There is on record in Middlesex county an indenture between Sir
Henry Chichley, of Rosegill, Middlesex county, Virginia, Knight, and
Ralph Wormeley, of the same place, esquire, son and heir of Ralph
Wormeley, Esq., late deceased, and Agatha, his wife. . . . And said
Ralph Wormeley, deceased, left his estate to his wife, who afterwards
married Sir Henry Chichley; but before the marriage she settled the
estate upon her son, Ralph Wormeley, the younger, who at the time of
the marriage was under age of twenty-one, said Chichley, in payment of
the profits of the estate which he has received, conveyed to said
Ralph Wormeley, the younger, 700 acres in Middlesex and certain goods
(per schedule), provided the said Chichley did not pay the said
Wormeley £1,300 sterling before December 1678."

I haven't seen any Robert Wormeleys hanging about in this era. It's
almost impossible that there was a "Robert Ralph" in that era, when
double given names were unheard of. Certainly it's possible that
somebody misread "Raph" or "Radf" (common written versions of Ralph)
as "Robt" and later expanded it to Robert. The only Robert I've run
into is John's grandfather, who died 20 Feb 1526, leaving son Charles
(John's father).

I don't put much stock in the Internet claims that CWII was born 1589,
as all of them I saw derive from a "patron submission" to the IGI, not
from actual parish records. Now it's certainly possible that the
parish register of Hull contains CWII's baptism, but I haven't seen it
myself. Maybe next summer, when I''m back in York (if the Borthwick
Institute has the register for Hull).

Still, if CWII was born in 1589 and married 1619, Christopher III
(governor of Tortuga 6 July 1631) cannot have been his son as Miss
Wormeley claims--he would have been 12 years old at most.

If you can clear up Miss Wormeley's difficulties, I'll be much happier.

Kathleen


On 12/28/05, Charles Ortel wrote:
>
> The entry for "Wormeley of Hatfield" on p. 350 of a
> summary of the Visitation of Yorkshire in 1584/5 and
> 1612 shows just three children for CWI and his wife
> Elizabeth Hogg. These are the eldest son Edward who is
> shown as being born in 1582, Henry and Jane.
>
> Dugdale's Visitation (1665-6) has an entry for
> "Wormeley of Rikhall" that lists Jane first, then
> Edward (who is said to have died without issue), Henry
> (who married Margaret Consett and is not shown as
> having had a daughter Elizabeth who might have married
> Richard Kemp), and Christopher (who is shown having
> married Mary Adams, but this entry incorrectly
> suggests Mary was a daughter of William Adams when, in
> fact, she was a daughter of Philip Adams).
>
> I have not been able to research the Parish Records
> themselves but I have found references on the internet
> to the baptism of Christopher Wormeley at St. Mary
> Lowgate in Hull around 1588. Also, I believe CWI died
> by 1589. His will was proven 13 August 1589 (I am
> trying to get a copy of PCY 24/204)and very clearly
> provides for eldest son Edward, Henry and to Jane. It
> also makes provision for an unborn child, whom I
> assume was Christopher and possibly a twin sister
> Mary. Another data point is the will of Margaret
> Wormeley, wife of John Wormeley and mother of CWI.
> This will was proven 16 March 1601/2 (chasing a copy
> of PCY 28/563). It provides for the children of CWI
> and lists them as "Edward...Jane...Henry,Christopher
> and Mary". Finally, the will of Thomas Wormeley,
> brother of CWI was proven 10 March 1627/8 (chasing a
> copy of PCY 40/168). This document mentions "Margaret,
> my now wife" who could be the woman you identify as
> "Margaret Wray". It provides for "my nephews Edward,
> Henry and Christopher"...[and] "to my niece Mary
> Newsome, their sister". None of these documents
> appears to mention a "Ralph Wormeley".
>
> From what I have seen, there is no solid evidence of
> the birth of a "Ralph Wormeley" among the English
> records involving Christopher Wormeley and his wife
> Elizabeth Hogg.
>
> Yet, in Virginia, it is very clear that Ralph Wormeley
> did exist and also that he was prinicipal heir to
> Christopher Wormeley, following the death of CW II
> around 1645/6. Here, it is worth noting that the wife
> of CWII, Mary Adams, seems to have re-married to
> William Brocas and to have been involved in the
> administration, with Ralph, of the estate of CW II.
>
> As to Thomas Wormeley, I believe he was a brother of
> CWI and not that he was a brother of CWII.
>
> One further point-I have not been able to check the
> source documents themselves, but I have found mention
> of a "Robert Wormeley" in connection with CWII and the
> venture to Association Island/Tortuga in the
> Providence Company records. Perhaps this gentleman is
> "Robert Ralph Wormeley"?
>
> Finally, I note that CW II was married to Mary Adams
> around 1619, when he was 30 years old. This is much
> later than most men seem  to have been married for the
> first time. I suspect that CW II was married
> previously and that Ralph (or "Robert Ralph") may have
> been a son of CW II. But I intend to dig further to
> prove or disprove this suspicion.

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