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The problem is that so many Jefferson scholars want him to be perfect.  They want do make him a benevolent slaveowner -- he was not; or someone who fought against slavery -- he did not; or someone who favored equality -- when in fact he was the founder of scientific racism arguing that blacks could NEVER be equal.

He does not stand up well to many of his contemporaries who were opposed to slavery, freed their slaves, rarely if ever sold slaves, and worked to improve the status and condition of free blacks.  When Edward Coles wanted to free his slaves (which he did) Jefferson urged him not to so because free blacks were "pests" on society according to Jefferson.

The comparison with China or the Islamic world or any other society is a red herring.  We are concerned with the evolution of the  US and the meaning of the Declaration of Independence.  By your standards we should not be concerned about segregation in the US because South  Africa was worse, or we should not be concerned about the KKK because the Nazis were worse; or not care about the suppression of free speech or freedom of religion in this country because the  USSR was worse.  I can't imagine anyone on this list would reach these conclusions. Similarly we should take Jefferson on his own terms and in his own world and times, and compare him to what he claimed to believe and what he did; and compare him to the best of his generation.  He does not hold up so well.


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Subject: [VA-HIST] (VA-HIST] "The Monster of Monticello"

Opinion,
Slavery was wrong, but didn't the Chinese and Muslims practice slavery long after Jefferson's time. Being from another time, we shouldn't judge Jefferson unless all these others are considered also. Is he being singled out because he was one of the architects of our country,  he was not a perfect person as we all are imperfect?
Respectfully,
Barry McMullan


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 From: "Finkelman, Paul <[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] (VA-HIST] "The Monster of Monticello"

Alternatively, how could be "at the expense of Jefferson" to discuss the very economic basis of Monticello -- the reason Jefferson could afford to build it and maintain it?
Most of what Jefferson accomplished was due to the slaves who provided him with wealth, food, income for his toys and luxuries, built his house, served his guest, and gave him comfort when he wished for it.  Jefferson could read his books, write his one book, participate in politics, run for office, write his thousands of letters because of his slaves.
And of course much of his political life was connected to slavery --  indeed his election to the presidency was possible only because of the 3/5th clause that counted slaves for representation and for the electoral college.


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From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Corneliussen
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] (VA-HIST] "The Monster of Monticello"

Mr. Barger complained that Monticello's "emphasis...on slavery issues" comes "at the expense of Mr. Jefferson." To me that seems upside down. The emphasis in fact honors Mr. Jefferson.

Mr. Jefferson matters because self-evident but challenging truths matter.
It's too bad that Monticello, like the rest of us, failed for many decades to begin elucidating and respecting the lives, dignity and contributions of individual Americans obscenely oppressed by fellow Americans -- including by Mr. Jefferson, the paradoxically slaveholding human-rights idealist.

If Monticello had continued its former Gone-with-the-Windism on slavery late into the last century, if the curators had persisted in obscuring Americans'
lives on that mountain, it would have been the foundation's civic, historical and moral negligence that would have come at the expense of Mr.
Jefferson.

But they got it right. Good for them. Good for self-evident truths.

Good for Mr. Jefferson.

Steven T. Corneliussen
http://www.fortmonroenationalpark.org/
http://tjscience.org/
http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/science_and_the_media

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