This entire track of discussions SEE SUBJECT ABOVE is about "Annette
Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan". That is what led me to believe that
possibly you knew something about A. G.Reed. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT.
Mentioning that other people, whom ever they may be (pardon me), were
present when any kind of whore or angel gets pregnant is NOT accusing anyone
of being a pimp. Reality is way too much for you.
(Miss) Adrian Zolkover
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
> Adrian,
>
> I have no idea how you have concluded that I "rely and agree" with
> whatever Ms. Gorden-Reed has written. In fact, I have yet to read any of
> her writings. I have, on the other hand, read Fawn Brodie, TJ's Farm Book,
> and other works, and Jon Kukla's recent book, all of which provide rather
> convincing circumstantial evidence that TJ and SH shared a bed. Whether in
> his house, or her cabin, is left to your imagination.
>
> One of the more damning pieces of circumstantial evidence are quotes from
> TJ's student diaries on the subject of sexual relief outside of marriage.
> In Jon Kukla's book you will also learn why your supposition that TJ could
> have had his way with other, more accomplished women, is not likely.
>
> You other supposition, that he lent his personal maid out to any tom, dick
> or harry who visited is even more shameful towards TJ than for him to have
> enjoyed the pleasure himself. You are casting him in the role of a pimp -
> and saying that he was prostituting his maid. Is that how you want him
> portrayed - as a founding father and advocate of prostitution? Is that
> what you want me to put on my webpages to instruction students?
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
> Anne Pemberton
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> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Zolkover" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>
>
>> To Anne, you again:
>>
>> The real problem is that you rely on and agree with those tales and
>> imaginings of Annette G.Reed who considers them facts. Reasonably, that
>> kind of lying can't be dealt with; and isn't worth, and is a waste of
>> time dealing with. I put you and A. Reed in a class with Bill O'Reilly. I
>> recently had eye surgery and am trying to limit my reading activities.
>> But I have read excerpts of what she writes and is written about her
>> writings. Otherwise, her writing about slaves socializing and conjured up
>> tales, other than her defiling of historical facts, might be educational
>> and worth reading.
>>
>> (Miss) Adrian Zolkover
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>>
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> I fail to see how a "debate" is going to solve anything. Only the most
>>> modern DNA testing available can produce the kind of evidence that will
>>> convince you and others of what the circumstantial evidence already
>>> points to.
>>>
>>> If, as you say, the descendents of Madison Hemings agreed orally to a
>>> exhumation and testing, but then balked when faced with signing the
>>> papers to allow it, we would need to look into what reasons were brought
>>> up on the document that were not discussed in the oral agreement. Rather
>>> than blast them for making a decision based on their own preferences, it
>>> would be better to find out what the stumbling block REALLY is instead
>>> of conjuring up possibilities in you own mind and putting them into
>>> their mouths. This displays great disrespect on your part, and tends to
>>> conjur up the suppositions that even when the evidence is presented to
>>> you, you will find some excuse not to accept it. Perhaps, instead of
>>> accusing them of some nefarious reason to refuse, you should be assuring
>>> them that you welcome the knowledge that they are part of the family,
>>> and address the issues that are causing them to refuse, after you
>>> ascertain what they are.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
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>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>>>
>>>
>>>> (L) So, are you willing to have DNA done for all of the parties? (H) I
>>>> have long proposed this but as explained earlier RETESTING John Weeks
>>>> Jefferson Eston's descendant again would only produce a match because
>>>> his blood is that of the Jeffersons. A test of William, son of Madison,
>>>> might prove fruitful BUT they refuse such a test and if it didn't come
>>>> out the right way, then there goes the ballgame and the domino effect
>>>> would be disastrous to their claims and they, Monticello and others
>>>> with
>>>> agendas KNOW this.
>>>>
>>>> The well known Jefferson researcher, Dr. Dan Jordan at Monticello would
>>>> not touch it and suggested that I suggest it to them, but not pressure
>>>> them (what pressure would I be expected to exert), which I had already
>>>> done and they at first orally, by phone, approved but when faced with
>>>> the official forms to sign they REFUSED to sign. Dr Jordan's suggestion
>>>> to me came while they were deciding the issue. YES, I have e-mails. So
>>>> much for accurate research there.
>>>>
>>>> Lyle Browning
>>>>
>>>> Herb Barger
>>>>
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