Some one mentioned facts are facts, but unfortunately, the
Jefferson-Hemings story doesn't work unless we assume as true what we can't
prove. The only one of "Sally's kids" we know was fathered by a Jefferson
was the youngest Eston. TJ did not free Sally in his will or otherwise.
There is no proof that Sally was Martha Jefferson's half- sister.
Richard E. Dixon
Clifton, VA 20124-2115
703-830-8177
fax 703-691-0978
> [Original Message]
> From: Debra Jackson/Harold Forsythe <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 12/6/2005 11:22:39 AM
> Subject: Re: TJ and Sally's kids
>
> The problem with Lonny Watro's analysis here is that it doesn't take into
> account correlary consequences of the logic. If true, the TJ spend the
> remaining 34 years of his life celibate and alone; a practice he is on
> record as opposing for health reasons. Moreover, with all the white men
> living in the northern Piedmont of Virginia, was it only chance that male
> Jeffersons apparently alone fathered Sally H's babies? Finally, Tj was
> known as the "Sage of Monticello." Was he completely blind to these
goings
> on? Children running around the place whose father(s) were his kin and
> whose mother was his wife's half-sister. Was Monticello a bawdy house?
Was
> this why TJ freed Hemmings and her children only when he died? You see
> where this is going, don't you?
> Stick to the romance. It preserves some dignity for TJ.
>
> Harold S. Forsythe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lonny J. Watro" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:33 PM
> Subject: Re: TJ and Sally's kids
>
>
> > No, but I do believe that when Jefferson came home all his relatives
came
> > to
> > his home to visit him. And probably didn't visit his home when he was
> > away.
> > (Because the only reason my mother visits my house when I'm away is to
> > feed
> > my cat) Since Jefferson had over see-ers he had no need to ask his
family
> > to
> > come over while he was away, IMHO. So I can believe that Jefferson came
> > home
> > and said "Hey Uncle Fields, why don't you come on over for dinner now
that
> > I
> > am home." That I do believe. And so you see that's why we can't say
> > definitely who these children belong to. We can only speculate, IMHO.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Finkelman" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:12 PM
> > Subject: TJ and Sally's kids
> >
> >
> >> Sally Hemings only had children 9 months after she was in close
> >> proximity to Jefferson; she never had children when she was not close
to
> >> Jefferson for more than 9 months.To believe your theory, you would have
> >> to believe that whenever Thomas Jefferson was away from Monticello that
> >> Sally Hemings remained celebate, but as soon as Thomas was around, she
> >> immediately had sex with one of his relatives. I can see it now, TJ
> >> arrived in Va after weeks or months in Philadelphia or Washington, and
> >> immediately contacts his Uncle Fields and say, "hey, Uncle Fields, come
> >> on over and visit Sally, now that I am home." Do you really believe
> >> this? If you believe this, then I am sure you would be interested in
> >> the bridge I have for sale.
> >>
> >> But, assume you are right. Sally is Jefferson's half-sister-in-law.
No
> >> one doubts that Sally is the daughter of John Wayles and Bette Hemings.
> >> So, Thomas owns his half-sister-in-law. Furthermore, if the children
> >> were fathered by TJ's male relatives then they are his neices and
> >> nephews or cousins. So, both by blood (through the father) and by
> >> marriage (through his marraige to Martha Wayles Skelton) Sally's
> >> children are his relatives. So, here we have a man who owns his double
> >> relatives as slaves.
> >>
> >> Now maybe that is the role model for Senator Allen!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Paul Finkelman
> >> Chapman Distinguished Professor of Law
> >> University of Tulsa College of Law
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> >>
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> >>
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kathleen Much wrote:
> >>
> >>>Whoa, whoa, whoa. PLEASE don't let us rehash the Jefferson/Hemings
> >>>claims and counter-claims. For the record, the original headline
> >>>accusing Thomas Jefferson of siring Sally Hemings's children was NOT
> >>>supported by evidence in the _Nature_ article itself and was retracted
> >>>by the journal. I recommend that anyone wishing to weigh in on the
> >>>subject read the whole article first.
> >>>
> >>>All anyone can say from the DNA evidence is that SOME Jefferson male,
> >>>possibly Thomas or his nephew, sired ONE of Sally's children. Beyond
> >>>that, all is speculation.
> >>>
> >>>Now let's return the list to other historical topics.
> >>>
> >>>Kathleen Much
> >>>The Book Doctor
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