Article II of the Articles of Confederation states:  "Each state retains its
sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction and
right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United
States."  If the United States violated the sovereignty, freedom, or
independence of a state, was that state obligated to remain in "perpetual
union," or was the agreement broken?  If the latter, then the perpetual
union language has no bearing on the secession issue.

Sam Treynor

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Walter Waddell
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] New Subject Va Almost Got It Right

Absent violent actions against Federal officials and property, the peaceful 
process to secede remains a viable argument, but probably not a winnable one

in the end. After all the Articles of Confederation contained the word 
"perpetual" which was "blown away" by practical needs. In 1861, Virginia was

on the road to a "peaceful process", but the violent acts by "hot heads", 
among so many other considerations and issues for the times,  sealed it as 
null and void.

Have I stated anything that is without any substance whatsoever?


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From: "John Philip Adams" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: New Subject


> How about Vermont wanting to secede.
> Should we remind them of our last attempt to do so? The Yankees, of whom
> they are one, they do not take kindly to wanting to get away from the 
> taxing
> authority in DC.
> Do not forget this is Juneteenth here in Texas. The end of a truly tragic
> period of our history, which we have just discussed at length, to 
> celebrate
> the end of slavery.
>
> John Philip Adams
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Loretta Kelldorf
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: New Subject
>
> Perhaps it is time to begin a new topic of discussion.  With the long
> history of VA, surely there are other interests than slavery.  What is the
> list interested in discussing?
>
> Pirates on the outer banks?
> Federalist Papers?
> How geography affected development?
> Indian traders?
> Shipping  and/or the VA navy?
> Huguenot settlements ?
> The War of 1812 ?
>
> Someone please be brave enough to jump in with a new topic of discussion.
> Let us avoid chastising each other and getting dangerously close to 
> flaming.
>
> Loretta
>
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