If I am guilty of "goading", it's probably because this forum is a target
rich environment for such an approach.
I consider myself more of the Scalia of the forum, trying to bring a little
reality to the "everybody knows" mentality of much of the crowd.
I appreciate all the posts about ignoring my messages. It reminds me of
part of the reason Howard Stern is so popular; people talk a great deal about
how they don't listen to him because of the things he says, and then secretly
indulge in tuning into his show and pointing the uninitiated in that direction
to see what all the fuss is about (incidentally, I was legal counsel to
Howard, Robin and Fred in their DC years and their early years in New York, which
may partially explain my approach).
JD Southmayd
a/k/a J South
In a message dated 5/16/2008 8:09:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
This Yojsouth "person" obviously enjoys baiting others who subscribe.
Do not give him the power to make a difference on the list. Just
ignore/delete and proceed.
-Melinda
--
Melinda C. P. Skinner
Richmond, VA
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ronald Seagrave <[log in to unmask]>
> Its sad 'Yojsouth' -- A.K.A. ??? has caused a injury serious to this list.
>
> He's gone beyond the limits of professional conduct and should be removed
> from this list. He should be identified, as should all members of this
list,
> in fact no alias should ever be allowed posting. He should loss all
> professional privileges to all library service. In my opinion, his conduct
> is now no better than that of a robber. He's actively limiting our
> collective exchange of information.
>
> Ronald Seagrave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray, Tom (LVA)" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Yojsouth
>
>
> I respect my colleague's decision not to censor the postings to the list
> even though I disagree in this case. As many of my other colleagues know
> only too well - no one at the Library believes in free speech more than
> I.
>
> In my opinion the postings by "J South" are a form of bullying. No one
> else on the list has ever denigrated individuals based solely on sex or
> race. And for what purpose? I was under the impression that such
> personal attacks would not be tolerated on the list. Even though the
> attacks are not directed at list members they are directed at
> significant historical individuals, primarily women. I find this
> offensive in the extreme.
>
> I was also under the impression that list members were expected to use
> their real names. It has been my experience that bullies such as "J
> South" lose some of their venom when forced into the public. "J South"
> is not only a bully he is a coward.
>
> I will unsubscribe to the list as soon as Brent posts this message. I
> have been a member for many years because I consider it a professional
> obligation to offer assistance to Library patrons in any format
> available. I have most often done that off-line as some of you know. It
> is not my obligation to be subjected to crude, insulting behavior as
> exhibited by "J South." It has gone too far.
>
> Current list members are welcome to contact me for assistance with
> research involving Va. newspapers, with bibliographical questions, or
> for collection assistance.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tom H. Ray
> Collections Management Coordinator
> The Library of Virginia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tarter, Brent (LVA)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Yojsouth
>
> Yojsouth's message earlier today about Thomas Jefferson and Sally
> Hemings has brought me several private requests and demands that he be
> expelled from the list.
>
> Va-Hist has always operated with as much anarchy as possible. The
> sponsors at the Library of Virginia have believed that the best remedy
> for improper speech is more speech. We have encouraged a civil dialog,
> that being the best way for intelligent discussion to proceed.
>
> It is not a violation of any unstated Va-Hist rule that your know what
> you're writing about (John Smith did not marry Pocahontas; Sally Hemings
> could not legally have married anybody).
>
> Or that you can't believe that "an educated, cultured" white widower
> might have had a sex life.
>
> Or that you be free of prejudices (Sally Hemings, an enslaved African
> American woman, has not been shown to be "skanky," which the dictionary
> defines as repugnantly filthy or squalid or of low or sleazy character,
> although perhaps yojsouth believes that is the default condition for
> women of one-fourth or more African descent).
>
> Or even that you not gratuitously publish an assertion as if it were a
> known fact (nobody here as asserted that Sally Heming could not keep
> track of the fathers of her children, although perhaps yojsouth believes
> that is a common condition for women of one-fourth or more African
> descent).
>
> We cannot require that people hide their defects if they insist on
> parading them.
>
> Please do not let these comments unnecessarily goad us into equally bad
> or worse behavior.
>
> I, for one, do not propose to respond to yojsouth (who does regularly
> violate a Va-Hist rule that we used to state from time to time that all
> postings be signed with the author's real name), and I hope that other
> people will not, either.
>
> You don't have to read him. I, who am the list moderator, do.
>
> Brent Tarter
> The Library of Virginia
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Visit the Library of Virginia's Web site at http://www.lva.virginia.gov
>
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