What point are you making? Does it make it right that whites who considered themselves "civilized", could enslave other humans? They were supposedly more advanced then the people they enslaved, whether Native, African, or Asian. What were they doing on those shores? You miss my point this is a Virginia History list, when I am on an African list, then I will bring up what Africans did. In case you want to know my ancestry is mixed, white/native/African. At least two of those groups were involved in the slave trade.
Anita
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:13:41 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Jane & Anita,
>
> You talk without addressing my point: -- that is African-American
> ancestors/predecessors were maimed, killed and the remainder captured
> (- enslaved -) by native African slave-traders, then marched unmercifully
> (many dying on the way) to African ports to be sold as slaves to
> ships-captains from many countries servicing the eastern and western
> hemispheres. Understand these poor people were enslaved _by Africans_ to
> sell for profit before they ever arrived in a port to board ship for leaving
> the continent -- and this went on for centuries. Please don't so easily
> point your fingers only at white slave-traders of limited times, but rather
> consider *all* terrible slave-trading practices of a millenium or more.
>
> Please consider my following original source in detail as well, not just
> your church-social discussions:
>
> http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/maps.htm
>
> Neil McDonald
>
> From: "Jane Steele" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>
>
> > Anita: How right you are. Something like this turned up in a after supper
> > discussion at a local church that works closely with my dad's church. His
> > sister came home disgusted with the lack of knowledge that people in this
> > particular group had about Africa and how advanced it is today. And some
> > of these people were well traveled and educated. She lived in Harlem,NYC
> > for over fifty years,was active in all types of community service
> > organizations and knew many people from Africa and the West Indies. Her
> > husband who is now dead was from Jamaica and always said this about a
> > "certain group of people" that "You have to teach them every thing.
> > "They think that they are so smart but they are quite ignorant". Jane.
> >
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
>
>
> > Anne, I don't understand why you speak with such an admonishing and
> > argumentative tone. I actually agree with much of what you say: "It is
> > 'not' my intent to belittle subsequent evils within countries where slaves
> > were taken (nor to challenge historians' choice of research matters,
> > added), with the vastly greater (enslavement) numbers being to other than
> > British colonial America and its subsequent United States where slavery
> > finally was ended with great loss of military lives." My point from the
> > beginning is simply that the magnitude of African enslavement of Africans
> > was orders of magnitude greater (number of enslaved and sold) than what
> > occurred in the British colonies of America -- and that African
> > atrocities, if not genocide of their own people, included horrendous evils
> > far beyond that of British colonial America. Freedom for all men, even
> > all living creatures, is such a self-evident need and right since the
> > beginning of time, not something new in 1776, and one does not need to be
> > Christian or even religious to make such a declaration. Mankind
> > throughout the ages and the world (that includes Africa for my point) has
> > certainly fallen short of their ideals but hopefully is improving, and may
> > continue without bitterness toward each other for the shortcomings of our
> > ancestors and predecessors in our racial lineages.
> >
> > Neil McDonald
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >>
> >> Neil,
> >>
> >> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the
> >> name of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct,
> >> inasmuch as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
> >>
> >> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans before
> >> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make
> >> your case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who
> >> were complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be
> >> challenged. The CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the
> >> Declaration of Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an
> >> attempt at true freedom for man, and then a decade later turned their
> >> backs on those brought here as slaves.
> >>
> >> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own
> >> freedom and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers?
> >>
> >> Anne
> >
>
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