He would have been a great deal more famous if he hadn't had the misfortune
to coach at Auburn while Bear Bryant was at Alabama. Shug was always the
afterthought!

Mildred "Mickey" Fournier
1730 SE County Rd 252
Lake City, FL 32025-1703

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The famous football coach at Auburn University pronounced his name the same
way -- Shug JERR-den.  I always wondered where that pronunciation
originated.  Now I know!

Jean Spradlin-Miller

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Subject: Re: Jordan's Journey


> Some of the places along the coast, the Outer Banks of NC, etc. that
> retain that Elizabethan speech still pronounce it "JERR den". I may
> be mis-remembering, but President Carter had a fellow Georgian on
> staff, Hamilton Jordan, and I think they pronounced that "JERR den",
> too.
>
> Nancy
>
> -------
> I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
>
> --Daniel Boone
>
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Connie Lapallo wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> I wrote a novel (Dark Enough to See the Stars in a Jamestown Sky)
>> based on
>> Joan Peirce and her daughter Cecily Reynolds. Cecily's second
>> husband was
>> Samuel Jordan of Jordan's Journey. Samuel was a character in the
>> book, but
>> will play a more important role in the sequel. I'm writing the
>> sequel now,
>> which will largely focus on Cecily's life, including her marriage to
>> Samuel and the development of Jordan's Journey. I'm a descendent of
>> Cecily
>> from her first marriage to a Bailey.
>>
>> My research for the sequel is still in progress, but I can tell you
>> that
>> you're correct that there's no definitive proof (that I'm aware of)
>> that
>> Samuel was a passenger on the Sea Venture. However, he received a land
>> grant on 10 December 1620 which listed him as a "an ancient planter
>> who
>> hath abode ten yeares compleat in this Colony." From this, we know he
>> either came on the Patience and Deliverance (with the Sea Venture
>> survivors) or on De La Warr's ships in June 1610. He appeared to
>> have a
>> strong military background (suggested by how well-fortified Jordan's
>> Journey was and the similarity of its structures to those of an Irish
>> bawn.) I believe he was probably in the group of mercenaries left
>> without
>> work when a truce was called in the Lowlands in 1609. His (probable)
>> distant cousin Silvester was definitely on the Sea Venture, and his
>> first
>> cousin's (Joan Peirce's) husband was also on there. I think the Sea
>> Venture is a sound assumption, though not definite.
>>
>> The name "Beggar's Bush" was probably a corruption of "Biker's
>> Bush." The
>> neighboring land was that of William Biker, and there is a Bicker's
>> Creek
>> on present day maps near there as well. Please see W&M Quarterly,
>> April
>> 1941, p.180-181 for a more detailed explanation.
>>
>> Samuel would have pronounced his name "JERR-den." His ancestors
>> probably
>> came to England from France after the Hundred Years war. This distinct
>> pronounciation survived in Virginia for many years, and is
>> distinguishable
>> from the ancient family of English Jordans who pronounce it more as we
>> would expect: "JOR-den".  Given that, "Jordan's Journey" was much more
>> alliterative than it appears on paper!
>>
>> I love the charcter of Sam Jordan and am eager to do more research
>> on him.
>>
>> Best of luck. I hope this helps.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Connie Lapallo
>> author of DARK ENOUGH TO SEE THE STARS IN A JAMESTOWN SKY
>> www.ConnieLapallo.com
>>
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