Tom,
Read my last post. The "commercial" page, is the only one on the site of
nearly one thousand pages and growing. I have NEVER posted a link to that
page - but I have posted links to the opening page of the site, which
contains a link to that page. Some of you are making a moutain out of a
molehill.
How about Herbert and his constantly pressing anyone and everyone to read
his "minority report" ad nauseum? He, too, is constantly pushing his web
site which may or may not contain commercial links.
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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http://www.erols.com/apembert
http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gilmore" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Marketing & .org
> Anne,
>
> I don't think anyone questions what you do on your own website, but rather
> the fact that you advertise links to your commercial pages on this list.
> It's a bit like a person wearing a sign-board in a non-commercial area.
>
> --Tom
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Brent,
>>
>> My take on Herbert's question was to presume that he was just trying to
>> find a means to diminish my contributions to the list because he had run
>> out
>> of arguments to offset mine. It was someone on the list who questioned
>> the
>> presence of my book promotion on MY website, and Herbert jumped on it as
>> a
>> point to discredit my work without having looked at it himself. One of
>> those
>> in the discussion, wrote me offlist, and when I said perhaps I should
>> tone
>> down the "advertisement" value of that page, said not to change anything
>> on
>> my website, that it was, as the google stats bear out, and important and
>> valuable site for K-12. It is not a site purely for history, but
>> emcompasses
>> all K-12 subjects. The matter of whether or not I should "promote" my
>> book
>> on my web site and whether or not it constitutes "marketing" on an "org"
>> site or not, is more a matter between myself and the owner of the site,
>> than
>> an issue to be bandied about on Va. History list. I did not bring it up,
>> because the book has no relevence to history. But, I did respond to those
>> who sought to diminish my efforts through this sidebar. They are
>> commenting
>> without having seen what I do, or having any understanding of how I make
>> use
>> of this list in growing the Virginia portion of the list.
>>
>> Herbert Barger is one who, I think, misuses the list to promote his point
>> of view and diminish all who disagree with him. That he chose to jump on
>> the
>> attack of my website is additional proof that his arguments cannot stand
>> on
>> their own merit. My assertion that continuing to paint those who see
>> things
>> differently are promoting an image of Jefferson as a pimp, was an effort
>> to
>> bring some of these people to an understanding of what they are really
>> saying when they insist that anyone who disagrees with them is a LIAR. I
>> am
>> especially hurt to see such old time list members such as Jon Kukla and
>> Henry Weincek painted with this broad brush of "lying", when they are
>> good
>> historians and good writers who bring to light the less-well-known points
>> of
>> view in the discussions.
>>
>> Unlike some who have painted Jon Kukla with a broad brush, I have read,
>> re-read, and thoroughly enjoyed his book on Jefferson's Women. Yesterday
>> I
>> started Henry Weincek's book on Washington "An Imperfect God". I can see
>> where those who want to put our Founding Fathers (or at least those
>> fromVirginia), on a high pedestal would be upset by such works, but as
>> one
>> who like a good story, I enjoy reading about the basic humanity of these
>> people. It does not in any way tarnish what they accomplished for this
>> country.
>>
>> Some time back, there was a heated discussion on Abraham Lincoln, on
>> which
>> many on this list, trashed one of the greatest presidents of all time.
>> Somehow, the ideals of not "tarnishing the image" of people like
>> Jefferson
>> and Washington, is right and good, but tarring and feathering Lincoln is
>> quite acceptable. This is a double standard that offends my
>> sensibilities.
>>
>> Well, enough for now. I will try to ignore the coming rages from the list
>> for awhile and cool my heels. I will, again, point out, that I think your
>> criticism of Anita Wills is without basis. I may deserve your censure,
>> but
>> she doesn't. I will remind that someone else responded to my comments on
>> the
>> value of oral history by sharing a link to George Mason University's site
>> that is chock full of oral history mixed in with the standard stuff.
>> This
>> is an area of history that interests me far more than regurgitating the
>> same
>> old same old.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> Anne Pemberton
>> [log in to unmask]
>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
>> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tarter, Brent (LVA)" <
>> [log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: Marketing & .org
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not entirely understand the question.
>>
>> Va-Hist and Va-Roots are open forums for the discussion of topics
>> related to research and writing about Virginia history and culture,
>> including family history. That said, we have discouraged commercial
>> promotion in order to keep the lists free of marketing notices that
>> would inevitably overwhelm or detract from dicussions of the topis for
>> which we created and maintain the lists.
>>
>> Please do not advertize or promote your own or any other person's
>> merchandize on these sites. If, as often happens in lerned discussions,
>> people have legitimate occasions to refer to their own scholarship,
>> that's quite a different matter.
>>
>> What other people permit or do not permit on their lists and what may be
>> or may not be permissible in other domains that the state of Virginia's
>> virginia.gov sites is none of my or our business.
>>
>> Brent Tarter
>> The Library of Virginia
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Please visit the Library of Virginia's Web site at
>> http://www.lva.virginia.gov
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Herbert Barger
>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:07 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Marketing & .org
>>
>> Mr. Brent Tarter,
>>
>> Possibly you may clarify this argument that Tom brings out. I earlier
>> had noticed the same thing. Is it true that advertising can be carried
>> on a taxpayer free VA. Library page dedicated to genealogy and history?
>>
>>
>> Herb Barger
>>
>>
>> High horse or not, you are offering a book for sale on a site which you
>> say carries no marketing. The URL I provided is on the
>> educationalsynthesis.org website. It promotes the book, it gives the
>> price of the book, it gives discount instructions, and it gives guidance
>> on where to purchase. Marketing is the commercial processes involved in
>> promoting and selling and distributing a product or service. I would say
>> the page fit nicely into the marketing definition.
>>
>> I have been unable to find anywhere, that it is written, that an .org
>> website "CANNOT carry any marketing." Would you provide your source for
>> this information?
>>
>> Tom
>> South Central Virginia & More
>> http://socenva.com
>>
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