Again, I apologize for only remembering 'part of the story.' But last year
when we were up in New Hampshire, there was serious discussion of some town
on the border wanting to secede and join the State of Maine. They were
upset about their tremendous property-tax tax increases which they viewed as
making them carry the rest of New Hampshire. Interestingly enough, there
were provisions in the various state constitutions and I think in the US
constitution that made this possible, though highly unlikely. As I recall,
the New Hampshire and Maine legislatures had to vote approval, and I think
the US Congress also had to pass a bill. But the thing of interest to me
was that there were provisions in the first place. Maybe some of the
VA-HIST members from our northern climes can fill in the details of my
sketchy story.
Randy Cabell
----- Original Message -----
From: "David A. Ward, Jr." <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: eventual phasing out of slavery AND RE-UNIFICATION
> This seems to be the best support really. Anne is right that federal laws
> enforcing slavery being shoved down the throat of northerners were unjust.
> Perhaps if the Federals had allowed the south to secede, then slavery
would
> have begun its natural death, sped by the simple fact of a place of
freedom
> in close proximity and the increasing numbers and influence of free blacks
> living in southern areas (Richmond, for example). It may have been
> achieved, albeit too slowly for the slaves themselves, without an awful,
> bloody conflict that still scars the nation's psyche even today. Of course
> it's all speculation and who knows what really might have happened.
>
> Not to beat the proverbial "speculative history" dead horse here, but
> another concept which ties into this thread that also interests me... in
> world history of the past, when a portion of a nation has seceded legally
> or through revolt, have they come back together eventually? It would seem
> that if the parent nation and the seceding nation shared such common
> aspects of their culture such as language, political allies, religion, and
> overall way of life... a re-unification would be inevitable. The only
> example I can really think of off the top of my head is East and West
> Germany. Can anyone cite other examples?
>
> That book about the South African AK-47s sound bizarre. I shall have to
> check it out.
>
> David
>
>
> At 08:55 PM 2/5/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Folks
> >
> >I'm no historian and far from expert in this, but it seems to me that if
> >the south had been allowed to secede, the north would have quickly wiped
> >out all the laws forced down their throats to preserve slavery and return
> >escaped "slaves" to the south. How long could slavery have persisted if
> >those who wanted their freedom had to travel only to the closest northern
> >state instead of to Canada? On a tv story about Lincoln's life that I
> >listened to the other night as I was reading e-mail, the point was made
> >that many Northerners were angered and offended by the federal laws that
> >went against their consciences in human rights. Much is said in the south
> >about the imposition of tariffs that offended wealthy southerners, but
the
> >south so easily forgets the impositions they put on their northern
> >countrymen to keep those slaves in bondage. Think of the many people of
> >conscience who oppose abortion in these times .... Back in "that" time
> >there were people of conscience who opposed slavery. They were forbidden
by
> >federal laws to exercise their conscience, and had to resort to
disobeying
> >the unjust laws to their own peril.
> >
> >Consider a comparison of the anti-abortionists of our times to the
> >anti-slavery and abolitionists of that time. Anti-abortionists are free
by
> >law to choose not to abort, but anti-slavers were bound by law to return
> >slaves to cruel owners.
> >
> > Anne
> >
> >At 01:22 PM 2/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >>I am hoping that someone can point me to any resources (websites, texts,
> >>articles) that postulate the theory that... had the war of secession not
> >>occurred and the southern states been allowed to secede OR had won the
> >>war... that the practice of slavery would have been (and perhaps already
> >>was on its way to being) phased out. I have not really heard too much
about
> >>this argument, but the idea is intriguing. I would be interested in
seeing
> >>the evidence that would be cited to support that kind of argument.
> >>
> >>Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >>David
> >>
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> >Anne Pemberton
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