Kathleen-

A brief moment of peace and quiet b4 we head to the
slopes.

In this moment, I looked through some of my files.

The entry for "Wormeley of Hatfield" on p. 350 of a
summary of the Visitation of Yorkshire in 1584/5 and
1612 shows just three children for CWI and his wife
Elizabeth Hogg. These are the eldest son Edward who is
shown as being born in 1582, Henry and Jane.

Dugdale's Visitation (1665-6) has an entry for
"Wormeley of Rikhall" that lists Jane first, then
Edward (who is said to have died without issue), Henry
(who married Margaret Consett and is not shown as
having had a daughter Elizabeth who might have married
Richard Kemp), and Christopher (who is shown having
married Mary Adams, but this entry incorrectly
suggests Mary was a daughter of William Adams when, in
fact, she was a daughter of Philip Adams).

I have not been able to research the Parish Records
themselves but I have found references on the internet
to the baptism of Christopher Wormeley at St. Mary
Lowgate in Hull around 1588. Also, I believe CWI died
by 1589. His will was proven 13 August 1589 (I am
trying to get a copy of PCY 24/204)and very clearly
provides for eldest son Edward, Henry and to Jane. It
also makes provision for an unborn child, whom I
assume was Christopher and possibly a twin sister
Mary. Another data point is the will of Margaret
Wormeley, wife of John Wormeley and mother of CWI.
This will was proven 16 March 1601/2 (chasing a copy
of PCY 28/563). It provides for the children of CWI
and lists them as "Edward...Jane...Henry,Christopher
and Mary". Finally, the will of Thomas Wormeley,
brother of CWI was proven 10 March 1627/8 (chasing a
copy of PCY 40/168). This document mentions "Margaret,
my now wife" who could be the woman you identify as
"Margaret Wray". It provides for "my nephews Edward,
Henry and Christopher"...[and] "to my niece Mary
Newsome, their sister". None of these documents
appears to mention a "Ralph Wormeley".

From what I have seen, there is no solid evidence of
the birth of a "Ralph Wormeley" among the English
records involving Christopher Wormeley and his wife
Elizabeth Hogg.

Yet, in Virginia, it is very clear that Ralph Wormeley
did exist and also that he was prinicipal heir to
Christopher Wormeley, following the death of CW II
around 1645/6. Here, it is worth noting that the wife
of CWII, Mary Adams, seems to have re-married to
William Brocas and to have been involved in the
administration, with Ralph, of the estate of CW II.

As to Thomas Wormeley, I believe he was a brother of
CWI and not that he was a brother of CWII.

One further point-I have not been able to check the
source documents themselves, but I have found mention
of a "Robert Wormeley" in connection with CWII and the
venture to Association Island/Tortuga in the
Providence Company records. Perhaps this gentleman is
"Robert Ralph Wormeley"?

Finally, I note that CW II was married to Mary Adams
around 1619, when he was 30 years old. This is much
later than most men seem  to have been married for the
first time. I suspect that CW II was married
previously and that Ralph (or "Robert Ralph") may have
been a son of CW II. But I intend to dig further to
prove or disprove this suspicion.

Kind regards.

C.

--- Kathleen Much <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Noel Currer-Briggs, _The Search for Mr. Thomas
> Kirbye, Gentleman_
> (Chichester, Sussex: Phillimore, 1986), gives some
> information about
> the Wormeleys. According to Currer-Briggs,
> Christopher Wormeley of
> Hull and Marfleet (d. 1588) married Elizabeth Hogg,
> daughter of
> Richard Hogg. Their children were Henry, Ralph,
> Christopher, Jane, and
> Anne. Elizabeth's niece, Anne Hogg (b. 1617), m.
> Governor Richard
> Kempe of Virginia, whose second wife was Elizabeth
> Wormeley, daughter
> of Henry (above) and Margaret Consett. Ralph
> Wormele (d. 1650/51) m.
> Agatha Eltonhead in July 1645 in Northampton County,
> VA. I have found
> only one wife for Capt. Christopher Wormeley, Mary
> Adams, though it is
> possible that he had an earlier wife.
>
> Currer-Briggs. p. 3: "Christopher Wormeley, the
> younger brother, was
> born about 1590, and his land in Virginia was close
> to Thomas Kirbye's
> and Lionel Rolston's. Ralph's, whch was granted
> somewhat later, was
> north of the Rappahannock River, but part of it had
> at one time been
> Andrew Kirby's.
> "The mother of Ralph and Christopher Wormeley was
> Elizabeth Hogg,
> whose niece, Anne Hogg, was Richard Kempe's first
> wife. [note: Parish
> Registers of Kingston-upon-Hull] Christopher married
> his distant
> cousin, Mary Adams; Ralph married Agatha Eltonhead,
> the widow of a
> Virginia emigrant named William Kellaway. After the
> brothers' deaths
> both widows remarried as was the custom in Virginia,
> where women were
> in short supply and had no legal rights in the early
> 17th century."
> P. 28: "During May and June 1631 the Providence
> Island Company
> determined to send an expedition to Tortuga ... and
> appointed
> Christopher Wormeley Deputy Governor.... This
> Christopher's brother,
> Thomas, had married as his second wife Margaret
> Wray, a niced of Lord
> Chief Justice Christopher Wray and a cousin of the
> Earl of Warwick's
> [Robert Rich] second wife, Frances (Wray) St Pol.
> "Christopher Wormeley sailed to Providence Island
> alone. Late in 1634
> Association Island was captured by the Spanish... he
> was suspected of
> negligence. On his way home, in 1653 [probably s/b
> 1635, as he died
> 1643], he called at Elizabeth City, and during his
> brief stay in
> Virginia sold a pinnace to William Claiborne. Two
> years later,
> Christopher Wormeley returned to Virginia, where he
> was granted a
> large tract of land in York County."
> P. 109: "In 1635 Christopher Wormeley settled on the
> east side of
> Wormeley's Creek, near Yorktown, and at his death
> this property came
> to his brother, Ralph."
>
> Currer-Briggs, p. 3: "Richard Kempe, after the death
> of his first
> wife, Anne Hogg, married Elizabeth Wormeley, the
> daughter of a third
> brother, Henry Wormeley of Riccall; thus he was
> doubly related to
> Ralph and Christopher Wormeley. By way of
> confirmation, it was
> subsequently discovered that long after
> Christopher's widow, Mary,
> married her second husband, Captain William Brocas,
> there was a
> dispute over a consignment of tobacco, and the
> evidence showed that
> Brocas was using Thomas Hogg, a kinsman of Elizabeth
> and Ann Hogg, as
> his agent in England. [note: York Co, Virginia:
> Wills, Deeds and
> Orders 1645-1649 (January 1647)]."
> P. 5: "In January 1658, Robert Smith and Dame
> Elizabeth his wife,
> 'late Dame Elizabeth Lunsford, widow and executrix
> of Richard Kempe',
> sued Edward Eltonhead in the Court of Chancery....
> Several witnesses
> testified that Richard Kempe died in 1649 and that
> Edward Eltonhead
> was Captain Ralph Wormeley's London factor....
> "There were several questions about the safe arrival
> of shipments of
> tobacco.... All of them confirm that both Elizabeth
> Kempe and Captain
> Ralph died, the former in Holborn (on the evidence
> of Henry Keylewaye
> [Kellaway] of St Andrew, Holborn) at Christmas 1654,
> and the latter in
> Virginia in 1652."
>
> These families were intricately intertwined. Darrett
> B. and Anita H.
> Rutman, _A Place in Time: Middlesex County,
> Virginia, 1650-1750_ (New
> York: W.W. Norton, 1984), pp. 49-50, say: "Just
> downriver from
> Rosegill [home of Agatha Eltonhead Chicheley, widow
> of Ralph Wormeley]
> was the property of Elizabeth Lunsford, daughter of
> Christopher
> Wormeley, niece of Ralph, cousin to his sons,
> stepdaughter to William
> Brocas [who was married to Elizabeth's aunt Eleanor
> Eltonhead], and
> twice a widow, most recently of Sir Thomas Lunsford
> and prior to that
> of Richard Kemp. The latter union related her to
> Edmund Kemp, whose
> property lay south and east of her own, on the
> Piankatank. Kemp's
> father, Edmund, had been Richard's brother. . . .
> "We can . . . go beyond a mere recounting of
> relationships to suggest
> a consciousness of the desirability of surrounding
> oneself with kin. .
> . . The Lady Lunsford is [an example]. At the death
> of Sir Thomas she
> came into control of more than three thousand acres
> far up the
> Rappahannock and a separate parcel of but a third
> than number next to
> her Wormeley-Chicheley relations. She chose to live
> on the latter."
>
> Winifred E. Walsh, _Walsh, Erwin, and Allied
> Families_ (DAR Library),
> p. 69: "Christopher Wormeley Jr, son of Christopher
> and Elizabeth
> (Hogge) Wormeley, of Adwich-le-Street, Yorkshire,
> England, married
> Mary Adams.
> "Children:
> 1. Ann, married her cousin, Edward Wormeley.
> 2. Jane, married her cousin, John Wormeley.
> 3. Christopher, was Acting Governor of Tortugas
> Island; he settled in
> Virginia in 1635 and in the following year he was
> justice of York
> County, Virginia; in 1637 he was a member of the
> Virginia Council. He
> probably died without male issue, as he left his
> land in Virginia to
> his brother, Ralph.
> 4. Ralph(1), of whom further.
> "(Sir William Dugdale: _Visitation of Yorkshire,
> 1665-66_, in
> Publications of the Surtees Society, Vol. XXXVI, p.
> 211. _Virginia
> Magazine of History and Biography_, Vol. XXXV, pp.
> 455-56; Vol. XXXVI,
> pp. 98-99. H.E. Hayden: _Virginia Genealogies_, p.
> 230.)"
>
> Hope this helps.
> Kathleen Much
>
> On 12/26/05, Charles K. Ortel wrote:
>
> > I have been studying English records to try to get
> a better understanding of
> > the origins of Christopher Wormeley, Robert
> Beverley and Robert Smith. I
> > would be interested to compare notes with others
> who may have knowledge
> > concerning these gentlemen.
> >
> > In the case of Wormeley, I believe, but can not
> yet prove that Ralph
> > Wormeley (father of the Secretary) was actually
> Christopher Wormeley' son
> > from a first marriage. I believe Christopher
> Wormeley sailed to many places
> > before reaching Association Island and then
> Virginia, possibly in concert
> > with his brother-in-law from his second marriage
> to Mary Adams (Capt. Yonge
> > or Young).
>
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