Oh, and the means that the gun-toting rednecks aren't whining when they want
the right to shoot up the local bar?
But, the DA who summarizes the stupidity to the jury, is surely whining!
Double standard, my dear barrister!
Anne
Anne Pemberton
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
> Your point has been directly rejected by the Court. Militias have
> nothing
> to do with the rights of individuals to possess guns in their homes.
>
> Please read: 71 06/26/08 07-290 _District of Columbia v. Heller_
> (http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf) AS 554/2
>
> J South
>
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2008 3:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> There you go, whining again, J. South.
>
> The Founding Fathers envisioned an armed MILITIA, not gun-toting rednecks
> out to defend their right to be "bitter" over the outcome of the civil
> war.
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
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> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus
> Africa
>
>
>> Proud to be such a caricature on the day the US Supreme Court finally
>> and
>> definitively affirmed what the Founding Fathers meant in enacting the
>> Second
>> Amendment to the US Constitution. Now us "right wing" gun-toters aren't
>> "nuts", just Constitutional scholars.
>>
>> J South
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 2:08:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> You're like a caricature of a right wing nut....
>>
>> [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>> This is whining,
>>>
>>> J South
>>>
>>> Neil,
>>>
>>> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting
>>> the
>> name
>>> of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct,
>> inasmuch
>>> as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>>>
>>> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans
>>> before
>>> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and
>>> make
>> your
>>>
>>> case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who
>>> were
>>> complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be challenged.
>>> The
>>> CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the Declaration of
>>> Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an attempt at true
>> freedom
>>> for man, and then a decade later turned their backs on those brought
>>> here
>> as
>>> slaves.
>>>
>>> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own
>> freedom
>>> and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers?
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 1:40:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>
>>> J South,
>>>
>>> I don't see that people "whine" about slavery, so much as I hear a
>>> continuous "whine" about the Civil War, the actions of the north
>> necessary
>>> to end that conflict, and the effects of reconstruction which led to
>>> a
>>> backlash known as Jim Crow which dragged the issue of slavery into
>>> the
>> 20th
>>> century, and which is still a factor today, in the 21st century.
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>> Anne Pemberton
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> http://www.erols.com/apembert
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 1:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus
>> Africa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Of course involuntary servitude is immoral by 21st century
>>>> standards.
>>>> However, I am really tired of Americans who continually whine about
>>>> it
>> as
>>>> if it
>>>> has had some impact on their lives today.
>>>>
>>>> JD Southmayd
>>>> a/k/a J South
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 6/26/2008 12:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that any of us feel that slavery was a good thing.
>>>> But
>>>> historically it was a fact of life. It should be remembered that
>>>> slavery was legal and practiced in the North as well. But the
>>>> economics in the North did not promote widespread slavery. It was
>>>> found in certain industries (like the iron industry) where large
>>>> numbers of the workers in places as far north as NJ, PA, and NY were
>>>> enslaved. The Saugus IW north of Boston used prisoners of war for
>>>> their workforce (not much better).
>>>>
>>>> Most of us alive today wish that the Founding Fathers could have
>>>> figured out a way to abolish slavery. But they did not and slavery
>>>> continued to be a problem until it was abolished as a result of
>>>> the
>>>> American Civil War (or whatever you choose to call it). The
>>>> abolition
>>>> movement was a Christian movement. It took almost 2000 years, but
>>>> other religions were in no hurry to end slavery until
>>>> Christianity
>>>> (supported by European navies and armies) appeared.
>>>>
>>>> The fact remains that slavery as a world wide practice was ended
>>>> by
>>>> the nations of Europe (and the US), often by force. It was the US
>>>> and
>>>> British Navy that ended the West African slave trade by blockading
>>>> or
>>>> embargoing the coast. The East African and interior slave trade
>>>> (both
>>>> about equal in size to the West African trade) continued to
>>>> flourish
>>>> until they were essentially ended as a result of European
>>>> colonization
>>>> of Africa. Slavery continued to be legal in a number of countries
>>>> until well into the late 20th century. It is still practiced,
>>>> albeit
>>>> illegally, in parts of Africa and Asia.
>>>>
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