On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:53 PM, Anne Pemberton wrote:

> Lyle,
>
> May I suggest some of my recent reading in addition to what I  
> typically discuss on this list.
>
> 1) "1491 - New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus" by  
> Charles G. Mann. Take special note of the chapter on Norte Chico,  
> but the likelihood of a southern-origin migration is also mentioned  
> in other sections of the book.
This one I've requested.
>
>
> 2) "The Farfarers" by Farley Mowat discusses in great detail the  
> settlement of the Albans (Scottish forebears) in Canada and share  
> photos of the foundations of their stone houses and lighthouses used  
> to guide folks in and out without being known to the Norse.
This one is listed as fiction in the subject heading. If it's another  
of those Mystery Hill and the Newport stone tower pubs, then that boat  
is sunk. But not having read it, I will necessarily reserve judgment.
>
>
> 3) "The Basque History of the World" by Mark Kurlansky. Discusses in  
> depth the exploration of the fishing banks by a people who were  
> without a country. Also, in his book name "Cod", the same author  
> discusses the North Atlantic fishing grounds.
Both of these I have read. What amazes me is that you will take as  
proved what is not proved. ARCH-L or another mail-list has had copious  
discussion over the last 10 years about the probabilities of pre-1492  
European knowledge of the New World. There is good evidence of  
contact, but not that Euros actually got to the west for anything more  
than fleeting visits. The same evidence can be argued for trade  
between the Native Americans, the Inuits and finally the Euros rather  
than having the Euros visit. I have no problem with any of it. I am  
old enough to remember the buzz when L'Anse aux Meadows was published.  
Before that, the Sagas were works of fiction and unproven. However, it  
is the only one known on the continent and believe me, a lot of  
attention has been paid to the possibility of finding more. The  
Hanseatic League is another likely source of info. What is needed is  
credible evidence such as artifacts in context, shipwrecks of the  
appropriate time period or something more than thoroughly ambiguous  
documents that cannot be verified. Until then, it's the old Scottish  
verdict of case not proved.

> The fact that these specific location were not widely publicized is  
> no reason whatsoever to give the credit for their discovery to an  
> unworthy man.
See James Brothers earlier post and please pull the rose tinted specs  
off. You're sounding like a credulous schoolgirl who has found out  
that adults exist and aren't all ideal citizens.
>
>
> And, rather than presentism, I will let you check the record for the  
> fame and acclaim given Columbus during his lifetime.
Wrong again. Batting 1000 still. Your indignant outcries positively  
reek of presentism. Check it out in your local library as to meaning.

Lyle
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> Anne
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