My query is drifting away. I am interested in why a freed slave, such as
Eston Hemings, would still be required under Virginia law to leave the
state unless granted permission to stay by the General Assembly, if the
freed slave were white under Virginia law. I suspect it is because the
status as a former slave triggered the requirements of the statute. There
would also be the difficulty of legally proving the white percentage of
blood. Does anyone know of an example where a slave, legally white, was
freed and then assumed the status of a white man. This is distinct from
"passing" into white society which hid the former status. Virginia had a
statute that defined a white man as one with 7/8 white blood. Are there any
examples on how this was applied?
Richard E. Dixon
Clifton, VA 20124-2115
703-830-8177
fax 703-691-0978
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Finkelman <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 4/22/2003 11:16:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: White slaves
>
> Feel free to stand wherever you wish. There is no reason to let an
> overwhelming amount of evidence other than the DNA interfere with your
> beliefs.
>
> Paul Finkelman
>
> jporeilly1 wrote:
>
> >Sir,
> >
> >There is no absolute absolute proof of this. A P.C. DNA is not
> >absolute proof. I stand by T.J.
> >
> >A Virginian
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul Finkelman" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:46 PM
> >Subject: Re: Fw: White slaves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>As history shows there was little risk; he did it, as did thousands,
> >>even tens of thousands, of other white masters, with little or no cost.
> >> What was the risk? There was no t.v., few reporters, and lots more
> >>privacy than today; Sally could talk to no one, she was a slave. What
> >>is the "everything" he could lose? His wealth, no. His other slaves, no.
> >> His fame, no. His nice house, no. His popularity in Virginia (where
> >>it was done all the time?) no.
> >>
> >>Paul Finkelman
> >>
> >>jporeilly1 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "jporeilly1" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:39 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: White slaves
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I don't know! Maybe it's all a big lie. Did you ever think of
> >>>>that? Do you really think a man of T.J's position would risk it
> >>>>all to play with a (dime a dozen) slave girl? Get real. Think about
> >>>>yourselves. Is
> >>>>that stuff so sweet and so dear, that you would risk everything
> >>>>you ever worked for, for your entire life? I know not what course you
> >>>>boys may take, but as for me, .... Is that stuff really worth the risk
> >>>>of losing everything? Wake up boys! You wouldn't do it and you know
> >>>>T.J. wouldn't either! Now, then again, maybe his hot nephew might not
be
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>so
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>reluctant, huh?
> >>>>
> >>>>A Virginian
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Richard Dixon" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:18 PM
> >>>>Subject: White slaves
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The assumption that Sally Hemings was the child of a black women and
a
> >>>>>white man seems accepted. Her children are also assumed to have been
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >the
> >
> >
> >>>>>children of a white man. Under the Virginia law at that time, they
were
> >>>>>white.Why then did Jefferson seek permission (also a requirement of
> >>>>>statute) for Madison and Eston Hemings, freed under the terms of his
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>will,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>to remain in Virginia. It was also provided by statute that the child
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>slave women was born a slave, If the child were white and freed when
an
> >>>>>adult, why did he not become a "white man" and automatically divested
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >of
> >
> >
> >>>>>those requirements that control black freed slaves, i.e., leave the
> >>>>>Commonwealth unless granted permission to stay by the General
Assembly?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Richard E. Dixon
> >>>>>Clifton, VA 20124-2115
> >>>>>703-830-8177
> >>>>>fax 703-691-0978
> >>>>>
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