Hello David,

I agree that in some instances your analysis of calling those who may have 
some observances and opinions other that mine liars, is well stated. 
However, there are those prominent writers and those in positions of 
historical and academic authority that insist in writing, even in hard cover 
linings that show a family tree where they proclaim that Thomas Jefferson IS 
the father of all of Sally's children. This to me is a lying.

Adrian Zolkover

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From: "David Kiracofe" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] THOMAS JEFFERSON'S LIFE HISTORY


Let me first say that I admire the wise prudence of Brent Tarter in 
requesting that the dead horse of the Jefferson-Hemings dispute be left in 
peace!   The paternity of Sally Hemings's children is [probably] never going 
to be proven by DNA : science doth make 'agnostics' of us all -- and so we 
are left with the historical evidence which we have to analyze and interpret 
and we should be honest as we do so.   But I cannot see the good in ceding 
this forum to posts such as the lengthy one from Adrian Zolkover.   I must 
observe here (as I believe I did the last time Ms. Zolkover posted this same 
information) that few of these facts are relevant to the question of 
Jefferson's paternity of Hemings' children.  Indeed, many of them make no 
sense in the issue at hand at all.   Ms. Zolkover prefaces her post as being 
a service to new members of the list, but by insisting that these bits of 
information support her pre-conceived conclusion that Jefferson could not be 
the father of the Hemings children (or any of them) and that to suggest 
otherwise is somehow to tell lies and to defame Jefferson ("raping his 
legacy?"), she actively seeks to limit the inquiry she claims to champion. 
Thus, I believe, she does a disservice to this list.

David Kiracofe



David KIRACOFE
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>>> Adrian Zolkover <[log in to unmask]> 02/26/09 2:16 AM >>>
Yeah to that! There are many new names on this list and in an effort to
re-report some essential TJ information published in excellently documented
books I submit the following. I haven't submitted anything in months, so I
hope it isn't too too much T'RUB BULL to have to skip it if you want.

THOMAS JEFFERSON'S LIFE HISTORY


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If he were having an affair with Sally why didn't she become pregnant before
she was 22 years old, or during the 13 years after Thomas's wife died? Sally
had her first child in 1797 and last child 1808; Randolph was a widower
1796-1808. And Randolph had 4 sons of child bearing age when Sally became
pregnant and they sometimes lived or visited Monticello. Randolph's oldest
son married in 1808. And Randolph was known to have a somewhat retarded
intellect. And he enjoyed "fiddling" around with the slaves. President
Jefferson retires to Monticello 1809 and Sally has no more babies. That
President Jefferson was the father of even one of her children is possible,
but I think most unlikely. Some might be of the opinion that the difference
is only academic; that what big difference would there be if Thomas and
Sally, two consenting adults, had a sexual relationship? I think it would
have been much out of character for the brilliant, most principled, most
important and dashing man, who was close with his and Martha's children, to
have a sexual relationship with a family slave Sally; for whom he held
enough personal regard to have her help raise his children. I think there
would be many accomplished, Caucasian, not slave women, who would be
desirous of Thomas Jefferson's attentions. From Sally's point of view I
think the statements from scholarly spin masters who (twist, manipulate, and
ignore an overabundance of evidence to the contrary) state that Thomas
Jefferson was, or even was most likely, the father of Eston and or Sally's
other children is degrading to Sally, as well as to President Jefferson, as
well as to United States history.



And some of the "scholars" that state in writing and lectures that he was
the father of Eston and or more of her children are those that own and work
for Monticello and are professors at the University of Virginia, both
institutions that were founded by Thomas Jefferson. They have a fundamental
responsibility not to lie and deface their founder Thomas Jefferson. They
have changed the name from The Monticello Thomas Jefferson Memorial
Foundation to The Monticello Thomas Jefferson Foundation. With its present
administration, I think the Monticello Corporation has no reason to continue
as a public facility representing Thomas Jefferson, its founder, or United
States history. Academia would be better off without those that misstate,
deceive, lie, and prosecute their institutions' founder, instead of
presenting the available information and wherever it may lead. They should
be removed from their positions of responsibility. I conclude that because
Thomas Jefferson was an extraordinarily brilliant, principled, judicious and
discerning person, and because of much additional evidence which supports my
conclusion, it is extremely unlikely that President Jefferson would have had
a sexual relationship with, and or impregnated Sally Hemings. As multiple
public records show, and as these scholars would have known, there were many
other male Jeffersons, some adolescent or in their early 20's, frequently at
Monticello when Thomas Jefferson was there, and particularly during the time
when Sally became pregnant with Eston, who could have been the father of
Eston. And as to the rest of her children, there may have been several
different fathers, as reported was so with Sally's mother.



I emphatically question the motives of people who have an agenda to publish
BIASED AND MISINFORMING opinions and conclusions [and to the extent that
they ignore most pertinent scientific evidence and historic evidence, LIES]
about the very person who probably did the most, in his day, to end slavery.
Jefferson wrote numerous articles, including his first draft of the
Declaration of Independence (exhibits are available), where he states that
slavery is "a cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most
sacred rights of life and liberty" and that slavery is "an assemblage of
horrors". They made him delete his opinions about slavery from his draft of
the Declaration of Independence. Thomas Jefferson was arguably our most
significant founding father. He was the most instrumental in establishing
democracy with the new idea that he first wrote in the Declaration of
Independence "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness." Additionally "That to secure these rights, governments are
instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed." Raping the legacy of Thomas Jefferson is a disservice to society.

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