"accounts of how lazy and shiftless many were" what is your source for your declarations? Source or not your racist leanings are in plain view.
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I would think based on accounts of how expensive slaves were to purchase and provide for, and accounts of how lazy and shiftless many were, Southerners would be pleased to substitute technology for the problems and expense involved in keeping slaves in their work force. With a ready market like Brazil for the sale of their slaves, they would have an out to recoup what they had into their slaves. While there may not have been a widespread movement for emancipation in the South, there was a widespread discussion on what to do with the burgeoning slave population which was becoming more and more problematic, to the extent that the northern Southern states were moving away from slavery and selling them to the deep Southern states.
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> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 10:44:50 -0700
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> much different set of facts. Indian removal involved about 30,000 persons, overland, over a period of time. Many self-removed before the infamous forced removals. Plus they provided their own transport.
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> Where did the United States find the money to remove Native Americans to the West? As Bill Freehling has pointed out, it at least demonstrates that the national government had the political will to execute a removal program given the right incentives. I freely admit that there were many differences in the two circumstances, but it gave a certain veneer of plausibility to colonization.
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> Hard to imagine where would have found the ships and money for a mass exodus to Liberia.
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> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby
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> I wrote that, and it was in connection Lincoln's initial plan to send freed slaves to Liberia. I clearly stated that that was veering off topic of this thread. Lincoln abandoned that plan due to vocal opposition from the black community.
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> That sentence was part of a larger "conjecture" of how slavery would have ended had the South won, whenever it ended, if it would ever end (and it surely would.)
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> Craig Kilby
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> On May 7, 2012, at 11:53 PM, Finkelman, Paul wrote:
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> > One post suggested that "hundreds of thousands of blacks" might have gone to Liberia? On what boats? How many ships were around to move them? Who would pay for it?
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