Another minor correction. Missouri came in as a slave state.
Trenton Hizer
Library of Virginia
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From: paul finkelman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:17 AM
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Subject: Re: 3/5ths provision
A minor correction; the confederation Congress has proposed the 3/5ths rule
for taxation;
it was never implemented.
The 3/5ths clause was extremely important in providing the South with the
margin of
victory in such issues as teh Missouri compromise, which barely passed, in
bringing in
Mo. as a free state and the fugitive slave law of 1850; most important of
all. however,
without the electoral votes created by the 3/5ths clause Thomas Jefferson
would have lost
the election of 1800 to John Adams and Jackson would perhaps have run 2nd to
JQ Adams in
1824 in the electoral vote; it is alos possible that Clay would have beaten
Polk in 1844.
Paul Finkelman
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Jon Kukla wrote:
> Two quick comments. The 3/5s formula adopted in the Phila convention for
> representation was based on percentage already in use by the Confederation
Congress
> to assess state quotas for support of the national government.
> After adoption of the Constitution, the advantage deriving to southern
states was a
> sore spot with many New Englanders - many examples of this are found in
the essays of
> Fisher Ames - see The Works of Fisher Ames. Edited by Seth Ames and
William Allen.
> (Indianapolis. Liberty Fund. 1983) e.g., pp. 232-233 and 924-931.
> Jon Kukla
>
> Harold S. Forsythe wrote:
>
> > Bob is exactly right! As I remember it, the Virginia delegates to
> > the Constitutional Convention, being good republicans, initially
> > preferred direct election of the President. They were reminded of a
> > terrible disadvantage that they faced, that though Virginia was the
> > most populous state in the new Union, it did not have the largest
> > white population. Hence, the 3/5 compromise gave VA and the
> > other slave states, more clout in Presidential elections as well as
> > extra seats in the House of Representatives, that would have been
> > withheld through any apportionment system that ignored the
> > enslaved population.
> > Thus, the particular politics of the US Census in the South:
> > another topic of, I think, great importance.
> >
> > Harold
> >
> > Date sent: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:26:57 -0700
> > From: Bob Huddleston <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Elections
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Send reply to: Discussion of research and writing about
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> > <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > > Well, without the additional electoral votes made possible by the 3/5
> > > compromise, John Adams would have been reelected in 1800 and the
Virginia
> > > Dynasty would have been still born.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > Judy and Bob Huddleston
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana Bennett
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:17 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Elections
> > >
> > > Dear Listers:
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the feedback on succession. Now I would like some
> > > comments on "Slaves became important around election time. The
> > > legislature representing the South was elected by using three fifths
of
> > > the slave population." It sounds like mud slinging such as we've had
in in
> > > the late 1900's, but is this possible?
> > >
> > > Diana Bennett
> > >
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