There were no slave ships (if you mean African Slave Trade) legally
operating from the North after 1776. After that time every northern
state made it a crime for its citizens to paricipate in the slave trade
or to build ships for this as well. Most of the slaves brought to the
US and the Brit. colonies came on British ships. As for the coastal
trade -- that is bringing slaves from Virginia to say Louisiana -- most
of those ships were probably southern based -- Baltimore, Norfolk, etc.
Most slaves were moved to the deep south out of Virginia (the great
exporter of slaves) by land. Virginia was basically the center of the
American slave trade after 1808 and huge numbers of slaves from there
(and some from Md., Ky, and NC) were moved to the deep south.
Paul Finkelman
Paul Finkelman
President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
and Public Policy
Albany Law School
80 New Scotland Avenue
Albany, New York 12208-3494
518-445-3386
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>>> [log in to unmask] 01/19/07 4:20 PM >>>
The (SOUTH) had no slave ships. The (NORTH) had those.
Lincoln made mistakes also. I forgive him.
----- Original Message -----
From: <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: [VA-HIST] Apologies
> As for me, to all the black members of this list, don't blame me, and
> don't blame the south, but in whatever way I can apologize for myself
> and my family, I apologize for what my people did to your people. It
> was wrong.
> Nancy
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I agree completely with what Nancy has said here and I am descended,
on
both
> sides of my family, from slave owners. I, personally, do not have any
guilt
> associated with that fact but I can tell you that I deeply regret and
am
> extremely sorry that my ancestors bought into that depraved system of
> thinking and behaving and living.
> I have quite a few African-American friends and although we only
rarely
> discuss the subject of slavery, they know how I feel and I am glad
that
they
> know how I feel. I want them to know that I fully agree that slavery
was
an
> evil institution. I want them to know that I KNOW that their people
were
> badly treated and that I find that fact totally reprehensible.
> Oral histories still abound and some of the blacks living today have
their
> own set of family stories that got passed down. Those stories are
starting
> to die out as the black family has become so, so, so badly fractured
by
> wretched 20th century political and policy decisions that have done
nothing
> more than wreck and undermine the structure of the black family but,
even
> so, some of those stories are still out there and these folks KNOW
what
> happened to their families. They know. Just like I know certain things
about
> my ancestors who lived in Virginia and North Carolina in the 18th and
19th
> centuries.....one was killed by Indians when he was watering his
horse.
> Another one hanged his own nephew when he deserted from the
Confederate
army
> (the one doing the hanging was Captain of the Home Guard....a la Cold
> Mountain).
> As long as a particular family exists, if there are oral histories for
that
> family, they will usually get passed around and down one way or
another.
> The point I wish to make is that some African-Americans today,
especially
> the older ones who grew up intact families (intact families being an
anomaly
> for African-Americans today, obviously), still have these stories
stored
up
> in their hearts and minds.
> Frankly, I think it is an awesome tribute to American black people
(I'm
> getting REALLY politically incorrect here and that's too damn bad but
I
mean
> this) that they are as forgiving and as gracious and as kindly toward
white
> people as they are. I mean, hell, The War is long over and I still
hate
> those damn Yankees! (Just kidding).
> I don't know how exactly to word this but if an institution, like a
state,
> has not just condoned but actively participated in and built up a
system
> that was as enduring and as atrocious as the act of owning another
human
> being, then I see nothing wrong with, indeed, I see it as only helpful
and
> healthy to officially repent and even plead for forgiveness. Doing so
would
> be a giant step toward bringing Freedom to everyone involved.
> Deane Mills
> York County, VA
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunshine49" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: VIRGINIA LEGISLATURE
>
>
> >I must disagree. I do agree that the PC movement has become too
extreme,
> >and it does nothing but create over-sensitivity, victimization,
stifled
> >communication, and resentment, depending on which side you're on.
But,
> >bottom line, what an apology for slavery deals with is human
psychology.
> >In a relationship, a person who has been wronged needs that sense of
> >acknowledgment and validation of the wrongs done to them, even if it
is
> >decades later. It's stupid for an abuser to say oh, I knocked your
teeth
> >out 30 years ago, it's over and done, why don't you just get over
it? As
> >long as the wounds and resentment still fester, and the abuser
refuses
to
> >say they did anything wrong, the issue will still exist. I think too
many
> >whites, in an attempt to protect themselves from being blamed for
slavery,
> >have created a bubble of insularity around themselves concerning the
> >issue, and they have refused to see it anymore, other than in the
> >abstract. I agree, neither I nor any other white today [with the
exception
> >of the ravening racists who still exist] should be "blamed" for
slavery.
> >But it did exist, it was a vile institution [but not one that should
be
> >blamed solely on the south, at had existed all over the colonies and
has
> >existed throughout man's history]. Read some of the original papers
in
> >courthouses and bring it to life for yourselves. How would you feel
if
it
> >was your great- great grandfather's brothers, two little boys aged 8
and
> >11, who were sold away from a farm in Amelia County? Ask yourselves
how
> >your gr-gr-gr- grandmother must have felt, to have her children torn
away
> >from her, probably never to be seen again? I think you'd be pretty
> >resentful. Or if you read that, say, a Native American in Charlotte
County
> >in the 1850s was selling off a piece of land so he could establish
> >himself in a slave business buying and selling your white ancestors,
as
if
> >they were cattle or sheep. Herd 'em in, sell 'em off, make money. It
would
> >be pretty sickening. Or how about, perhaps, my own ancestor, maybe a
> >Thomas Cardwell, stolen from his family back in Lancashire by slave
> >raiders, chained in the hold of a fetid slave ship, groaning, sick,
> >hungry, thirsty, listening to his fellow Englishmen around him
dying,
and
> >emerging to a life where he could nevermore take a free step. I'd be
> >pretty damned mad, let me tell you. It was abhorrent. We should
apologize
> >for it. But then both races need to move forward, I think of blacks
and
> >whites in this country as two people stuck in a bad marriage. So
many
> >issues, so many wounds, so much repressed anger. And they've stopped
> >talking to each other about it. One lashes out, the other lashes
back.
> >Both only half-listen to the other, if that much, and they are no
longer
> >talking issues and problems, they are talking wounds. That's never
good.
> >We need a mediator, a third party, so we can all sit down and have a
> >civilized airing of our collective pasts, work thru the wounds,
apologize
> >for wrongs, and MOVE FOWARD. Will it ever happen? You can get so
busy
> >looking over your shoulder at where you've been, you can no longer
see
> >where it is you are going. History as we here love is a wonderful
thing,
> >but I see it as a groundwork on which to understand ourselves
through
our
> >pasts, and on which to build for the future.
> >
> > As for me, to all the black members of this list, don't blame me,
and
> > don't blame the south, but in whatever way I can apologize for
myself
and
> > my family, I apologize for what my people did to your people. It
was
> > wrong. I cannot begin to "understand" your experience any more than
I
can
> > "understand" what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany, since I am
not
> > Jewish, but don't sell me short [or insult me]. I am still a human
being
> > and I can be horrified at cruelty done to other human beings. I
have
> > empathy.
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> > -------
> > I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days.
> >
> > --Daniel Boone
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2007, at 5:28 AM, Clara Callahan wrote:
> >
> >> Forced and/or litigated apologies mean nothing. Apologies on
behalf
of
> >> people long dead who cannot speak for themselves mean nothing and
are
> >> totally ridiculous 300 years on, and those asking for them know
it.
It
> >> would be interesting to know how many times these politically
correct
> >> public apologies have been publicly accepted by those demanding
the
> >> apologies. The travesty will be if this gentleman is forced to
> >> apologize for not apologizing. The whole thing is bogus and
everyone
> >> knows it.
> >>
> >> Excalibur131 <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ----- Original
essage -----
> >> From: "John Frederick Fausz"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:18 PM
> >> Subject: VIRGINIA LEGISLATURE
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> When the legislature moved back to regular session in Richmond,
> >>> however, that warm and cozy feeling quickly vanished. As I read
> >>> in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on 1/17, Delegate Frank Harmon
> >>> spoke against a "measure that would apologize on the state's
> >>> behalf to the descendants of slaves." He allegedly told a
> >>> Charlottesville reporter that "our black citizens should get over
> >>> slavery" and then added: "are we going to force the Jews to
> >>> apologize for killing Christ?" Needless to say, his comments
> >>> "drew denunciations from stunned colleagues."
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Fred Fausz
> >>> St. Louis
> >>
> >>
> >> In these times of political correctness, I wonder what Delegate
Frank
> >> Harmon's "stunned colleagues" were whispering behind closed doors?
Do
> >> you
> >> think that, in secrecy, some of his "stunned colleagues" weren't so
> >> stunned
> >> after all and agreed with what he said in part or in whole? Would
they
> >> have
> >> denounced Delegate Frank Harmon if his words were spoken in
private?
It
> >> is
> >> so hard to tell fact from fiction when political correctness is the
name
> >> of
> >> the game.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >> Eastern Shore & More Forum
> >> http://www.easternshoremore.com/forum/
> >>
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