THE PUBLIC DOESN'T DESERVE LIES.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
> Anne,
>
> I am sorry to find that you consider my factual reporting as opposed to
> that politically correct historical revisionism spouted by some others
> as nasty. I don't care how many times you or anyone else chooses to
> chastise the messenger instead of the real messengers of TJ degradation
> we will point it out to the deserving public.
>
> As for finding PROOF that Annette Gordon-Reed mentions when she states
> that TJ fathered 7 children. No maybe, probably, we think, etc. but
> downright FACTUAL as she reports it. As for facing information from a
> DNA test, no sweat, the Hemings nieces and nephews REFUSE to test
> William Hemings, son of Madison, might we not ask WHY? Ask Shay
> Banks-Young why. As for Ben Franklin being entered into the discussion
> adds NOTHING to the fact that Gordon-Reed and some others we know, have
> NO facts to print such misleading and demeaning information. I don't
> recall that anyone has said TJ was a saint........just a man doing his
> duties and being lied about.
>
> Herb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anne Pemberton
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:01 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>
> Herbert,
>
> I am quite accustomed to your nasty replies anytime anyone praises those
> who
> disagree with you. Why you cannot just agree to disagree is beyond me.
>
> The fact that you can find NO proof that TJ fathered the children in
> question does not establish for a fact that he did not. It just means it
> has
> not been proven to your satisfaction. And, I feel quite certain that if
> you
> were faced with DNA evidence that Madison Hemings was fathered by a
> Jefferson male, you would go out of your way to argue it wasn't Tom.
>
> The fact that TJ is a Founding Father does NOT establish his sainthood.
> All
> of the Founding Fathers had flaws in character. Ben Franklin is probably
> my
> personal favorite Founding Father, and yet he publically admitted he
> father
> a child - a son that he raised to commit the same faux paus as his
> father,
> so that in his old age, Ben was raising that same grandson born out of
> wedlock. Ben was willing to admit his "mistakes" and did his best to
> make
> them right. TJ seemed, too often, to hide his mistakes from public
> scrutiny.
> What "honorable man" uses a writer to slander a friend, and then cries
> wolf
> when the same writer peeks into his own affairs?
>
> Anne
>
> Anne Pemberton
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herbert Barger" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>
>
>> Yes, and it is in many publications but this doesn't change the fact
>> that it is NOT true, but much of the media is involved in this agenda.
> I
>> tell the readers that this book and other similar recent books is part
>> of an agenda and there is NO proof that TJ fathered any slave child.
>> Please consult: www.tjheritage.org for a full Scholars Commission
> Report
>> (13 top scholars), who found NO proof of this liaison, SO may we not
> ask
>> the author........what is your agenda and who is behind it.......not
>> that I don't know the answer and have for several years. That is why I
>> founded the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society.....to counter the
> biased
>> research performed at Monticello and provide truthful and accurate
>> research to the public. We can use financial support at the above web
>> page address to continue our research.
>>
>> Herbert Barger
>> Jefferson Family Historian
>> Asst. to Dr Foster on the DNA Study
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Discussion of research and writing about Virginia history
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Melinda Skinner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:56 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Annette Gordon-Reed praised by Edmund Morgan
>>
>> There's also an interesting article on the book in the New Yorker:
>> http://www.newyorker.com/search/query?keyword=8220 The Hemingses of
>> Monticello: An American Family 8221 (Norton 36 35)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Melinda C. P. Skinner
>> Richmond, VA
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Jon Kukla <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Posted at History News Network, Monday, September 22, 2008 Annette
>>> Gordon-Reed : Edmund Morgan calls her one of the best historians of
>> her
>>> generation <http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/54782.html>
>>>
>>> Source: *Marie Morgan and Edmund S. Morgan in the New York Review of
>> Books
>>> in the course of a review of Annette Gordon-Reed's new book, The
>> Hemingses
>>> of
>>>
>>
> Monticello*<http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21855?utm_medium=email&utm_s
>> ource=Ca
>>>
>>
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>> +%26+Sar
>>>
>>
> ah%2c+Michael+Chabon+on+Obama&utm_term=Jefferson%26%238217%3bs+Concubine
>>>(10-9-0
>>> 8)
>>>
>>> The Hemingses of Monticello is a brilliant book. It marks the author
>> as one
>>> of the most astute, insightful, and forthright historians of this
>>> generation. Not least of Annette Gordon-Reed's achievements is her
>> ability
>>> to bring fresh perspectives to the life of a man whose personality
> and
>>> character have been scrutinized, explained, and justified by a host
> of
>>> historians and biographers. They have struggled to illuminate, and
>> sometimes
>>> to gloss over, the dark places in his life. Like many upright public
>> figures
>>> who know they are pure and their enemies vile, he was capable of
>> deviousness
>>> and treachery. He instigated the savage attacks by the
> anti-Federalist
>>> National Gazette editor Philip Freneau on John Adams, once his fast
>> friend,
>>> and was flummoxed rather than ashamed at being caught out paying
>> Freneau to
>>> be his mouthpiece. Such actions gave rise in Jefferson biographies to
>>> characterizations like "enigma" and "sphinx."
>>>
>>> The full review is at http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21855?email
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jon Kukla
>>> www.JonKukla.com
>>>
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