Thank you Eduard DuBois Ragan, Zuzanne Collins Matzon and James Burnett for
all the suggestions. I will pursue them in VA and in NC.
I will let you all know if I hit pay dirt.
Warm wishes for the holidays and best hopes for 2014!
Liana Arias de Velasco
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Topics of the day:
1. Charlottesville Black Baptist Churches (2)
2. Free Blacks in the Slave State of Virginia
3. American Revolution Round Table of Richmond December News
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:40:48 -0600
From: Edward DuBois Ragan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Charlottesville Black Baptist Churches
Liana,
James is correct that there is a wonderful resource at the University of
Richmond, The Virginia Baptist Historical Society. I've done extensive
research there. However, they have only collected archival materials from
white Baptist churches. At least that what they told me two or three years
ago when I was last there. I work with Indian and free black groups in the
early 19th century, and the trail runs cold after Reconstruction when many
blacks and Indians were excluded from the predominantly white Baptist
churches. This is in stark contrast to the late 18th and early 19th
centuries when there was a remarkable degree of inclusion oriented around
public displays of piety that transcended racial and ethnic divisions.
I heard at one point that Virginia Commonwealth University had made an
effort to collect the records of Virginia's black Baptist churches as part
of their Virginia Black History Archives, but I have yet to follow up on
that. Ask Ray Bonis <[log in to unmask]>. He's in Special Collections and
Archives at the James Branch Cabell library there. There may be a
photographic collection or a vertical file or something. Ray will be able to
answer your question, if there is an answer. He's very knowledgeable and
quite congenial. I assume you have exhausted the Charlottesville-area
resources. I don't know that you would find anything at UVA, but you might.
You might also check the Virginia Historical Society. They may not have
records specific to King's Lumber Co., and if you have names for any of the
principals there, you may find personal papers that help you to slip in the
back door. I would also check the Albemarle Charlottesville Historical
Society, and you may have done that too. I've not done research there, but I
recall that they have a good photographic collection. Again, if you have
names, and if any of those folks are connected to Richmond, then make an
inquiry to the Valentine Richmond History Center. This is a real stretch,
but perhaps worth pursuing. The Valentine has well over a million
photographs in their collection. Their focus is Richmond history, but if you
can i.d. people from Richmond with C'ville connections, then there's a
chance, albeit remote, that you may find something. Meg Hughes is the
archivist there. Also, at the Library of Virginia, Dale Neighbors, in the
photographic section, may be able to help. Or, check with the folks in the
Archives downstairs. Also, go to the Albermarle County clerk's office. I
don't how how accessible their recent records are, but they may have a
record of building plans or general info about the lumber company or the
building of the church or the legal action taken when the church could not
repay its loan, which would likely include photos, plans, or other
supporting materials. Can you i.d. people in the photos you have from the
50s? If so, you may be able to find relatives in the area, which would make
for a great oral history component.
Good luck in your research.
Cheers,
Edward
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:48 PM, James Burnett wrote:
> There is a large collection of Baptist Church Records at the University of
> Richmond.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Liana Arias <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am looking for a way to dig out construction plans, pictures of or any
>> information about the rise and demise of the Bethel Baptist Institutional
>> Church on Commerce St, Charlottesville that was erected in 1921 by Rev
>> C.W.
>> T Barnes A.B. Pastor (says the plate on the building). I have exhausted
>> all normal avenues o we need to get creative. I have information and
>> pictures from the 50's on but I would like to get back to its origins.
>> The
>> church could not pay the loan to King's Lumber Co (Charlottesville)
>> during
>> the depression so, apparently, the church disbanded and I cannot find
>> anything. I found the name of the Pastor around 1928 in the Baptist
>> Church Conferences in the Winston-Salem NC area but, not much at all.
>>
>> I would appreciate any hints as to where else to look for this kind of
>> information.
>>
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Liana Arias
>> "History aficionada" who bought the church to repurpose for something
>> else.
>>
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:44:13 -0500
From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Free Blacks in the Slave State of Virginia
Brent and all,
What nobody has yet mentioned here is the American Colonization Society
starting at the end of the War of 1812 (in 1816), and the concerted
(NATIONAL) effort to export free blacks to Liberia.
For a great discussion of this as an overview, see Marie Tyler McGraw's
book, *An African Republic: Black & White Virgians in the Making of
Liberia."
For a detailed case study, see my article, "The Kelly Brothers and the
American Colonization Society: From Northumberland to Liberia" in the
*Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical Society* 45 (2008), 34-53.
Free blacks were a threat to the White society on several levels.
Emancipation was thorny. An 1838 petition from Northumberland County
requested the General Assembly to continue (and increase) funding for the
ACS for the removal of free blacks, stating that the free blacks of that
county were "the most degraded as well as the most wretched class of our
population."
Craig Kilby
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From: Tarter, Brent (LVA) [log in to unmask]
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:55:40 +0000
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Free Blacks in the Slave State of Virginia
This is getting interesting.
Jim Hershman is correct in noting the large increase in the number of free
persons of color, as the laws of the time designated them, after the 1790s.
That population posed different problems for the white governing class than
the much-larger population of enslaved Virginians posed. You can see that
clearly in the laws adopted, beginning in 1806, to control or try to remove
free blacks from Virginia.
Because Virginia was a very large and very varied state, the conditions
under which free blacks lived must have varied quite widely from place to
place, even though they all lived under the same laws, and also very likely
from decade to decade. It is undoubtedly true, as Jim states, that most
free blacks lived in rural areas where they were individually familiar to
their near neighbors; but all of the state's cities, which were growing in
number and population, had significant numbers of free blacks living in
them. Their circumstances of life in each of them probably differed from
each of the others as well as from their country cousins.
Because of all that variety of experience and local conditions, I have just
about entirely given up trying to think in general terms about free blacks
in nineteenth-century Virginia. To my mind, that makes every new, focused,
in-depth study of high interest, both in helping us revise what we think
those Virginians shared in their different environments but also to learn
how and why in each place the conditions were unique.
Brent Tarter
The Library of Virginia
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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:57:48 -0500
From: Bill Welsch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: American Revolution Round Table of Richmond December News
Hi Friends,
General Lafayette in the person of Charles Wessinger will be joining us at
the next meeting of the American Revolution Round Table of Richmond on
Wednesday, January 15 at the University of Richmond. The usual reminder
will follow in January. Please join us.
Bernie Fisher sent this interesting information Counting Fifes and Drums in
Washington’s army. Check the link to Gilder Lehrman Institute, too.
Thanks, Bernie.
John Maass forwarded a story about a newly found map of revolutionary New
York city. Thanks to John.
And don’t forget the America’s History upcoming 3rd Annual Conference on the
American Revolution in Williamsburg on March 21 – 23, 2014. Based on their
two past conferences, this will be excellent. Please support of business
member.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New York to you.
Bill Welsch
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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:19:21 -0500
From: Suzanne Matson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Charlottesville Black Baptist Churches
You might try the Phelps-Stokes Fellowship papers at UVA. You might also
search for the business records of King's Lumber Company. UVA or LVA would
be good choices for that type of record if they were donated.
Suzanne Collins Matson
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Charlottesville Black Baptist Churches
Dear all,
I am looking for a way to dig out construction plans, pictures of or any
information about the rise and demise of the Bethel Baptist Institutional
Church on Commerce St, Charlottesville that was erected in 1921 by Rev C.W.
T Barnes A.B. Pastor (says the plate on the building). I have exhausted
all normal avenues o we need to get creative. I have information and
pictures from the 50's on but I would like to get back to its origins. The
church could not pay the loan to King's Lumber Co (Charlottesville) during
the depression so, apparently, the church disbanded and I cannot find
anything. I found the name of the Pastor around 1928 in the Baptist Church
Conferences in the Winston-Salem NC area but, not much at all.
I would appreciate any hints as to where else to look for this kind of
information.
Many thanks!
Liana Arias
"History aficionada" who bought the church to repurpose for something else.
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