Texas had not been successfully invaded, except Galveston, or defeated on
our state's land, for the entirety of the war. Additionally, I have not seen
any data saying we had to give up our rights to become a state, because the
South LOST. In fact I don't believe it was ever addressed, specifically it
was such a unique situation that it was probably overlooked after the war by
the Yankee lawyers.
Yes, we all lost the war.
The North won.
All of us suffered under the reconstruction policies of the Washington
politicians. I sometimes ask how the North faired during this period or how
they might have had it better if the pols had not stripped the south do
dramatically of its wealth.
The north retained its clothing, ship building, steel manufacturing, and
economic, banking, insurance, and investment banking dominance of the
country, based on really cheap labor and lack of competition from the
destruction of the burgeoning manufacturing and agricultural gains occurring
in the south prior to 1860.
The slaves were freed, a LONG Overdue fact. A lack of provisions to educate
the ex slaves, allow them land ownership, allow new business ownership to
help the slaves get a start after leaving the farms. Except, for some slaves
and freed blacks in the south, who had been allowed training and education
from their homes on the plantations and businesses that the white ownerships
helped them learn before the war, in spite of the laws against education,
that would allow all to become a part of the country that they then would
had the same opportunities as the rest of the citizenry. They did have the
opportunity to become cheap labor for the northern sweatshops along with the
immigrants from Europe, while the south was plunged into economic chaos for
the next 100 years.
Several Northern Generals stationed in North Texas, Fannin and Upshur
Counties, were not happy about being stationed in Texas, because of the
hostilities visited on them by the ex confederates. It looks as if we are
still a little touchy abut the outcome of the war today.
John Philip Adams
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Kiracofe
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Secession and the Constitution
What do you mean by "duress?" -- being defeated militarily? compelled
to surrender? ordered to repudiate slavery? By that standard, all of
the readmissions to the union on the conditions of accepting the 13th
and 14th amendments were under duress. I assume the Texans _wanted_ to
end the reconstruction, and so came to terms. They didn't have to.
DJK
David Kiracofe
History
Tidewater Community College
Chesapeake Campus
1428 Cedar Road
Chesapeake, Virginia 23322
757-822-5136
>>> John Philip Adams <[log in to unmask]> 02/26/07 9:35 AM >>>
Yes, but we were under duress when we agreed to this codicil. Therefore,
it
was an illegal action, civil statutes, and we as Texans cannot be held
to
that contract or at least this clause of that agreement.
John Philip Adams
Baytown, Texas 77520
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Subject: Re: Secession and the Constitution
I believe Texas forfeited its claim to a right of secession when it was
readmitted to the Union.
Sam Treynor,
Kingwood, Texas
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From: Clara Callahan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Secession and the Constitution
Doesn't Texas maintain her right to secede in her constitution? Where's
the
Texan in this group?
David Kiracofe <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I remember reading this essay
some
time ago and agree with Kevin that
the question of perpetual union was not a settled one in 1861. Looking
at everything from the Dopctinres of 1798 to the New England Federalists
in the 1805-1814 period to the Nullifiers in 1832 and the Massachusetts
"personal liberty laws" in the 1850s makes it clear that Lincoln's
notion that the states were truly subsumed into one whole was not a
universally held one. I always thought it was a telling choice on the
part of the founders to depart from the assertion made in the Articles
of Confederation which aimed at a "perpetual union" -- the founders were
content to aspire merely to a "more perfect union." Lincoln's
assertion strikes me as one of his great pieces of political innovation
on a par with the new formulations in the Gettysburg Address. Of course
in the end, Lincoln and his armies settled the matter of secession with
military victory (and then there was a legal decision in, I think ,1867
that finally removed the legal possibility of secession.)
The essay is "The Concept of a Perpetual Union," by Kenneth M.
Stampp, published in The Journal of American History, Vol. 65,
No. 1. (Jun., 1978), pp. 5-33. It is available readily via
JSTOR, or in any good academic library.
David Kiracofe
History
Tidewater Community College
Chesapeake Campus
1428 Cedar Road
Chesapeake, Virginia 23322
757-822-5136
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