Right- Henry wanted MORE changes than Madison's Bill of Rights -
structural changes and especially a proposal made by the Va convention of
1788 regarding taxation, etc .... but all I'm challenging is the implied
causation in the quoted sentence from the blurb suggesting that the
anti-federalists sought to keep Madison out of congress SO THAT "he could
not propose the Bill of Rights."

Jon


> Jon:  Are you arguing that Henry then supported the Amendments Madison
> proposed, or that Henry supported Madison's election to the House after
> Madison said he would support amendments.
>
> I would defer to you on Henry, but this is certainly not my sense of
> Henry; who as I recall, opposed Madison's amendments -- as did most
> leading antifederalists -- because they were a Tub to a Whale.
>
> I (modestly) discuss this in    "James Madison and the Adoption of the
> Bill of Rights:  A Reluctant Paternity,"  Supreme Court Review:
> 1990 (1991) 301-47.
>
> Paul Finkelman
>
> Jon Kukla wrote:
>
>>Re the statement (quoted from the post below) that "Henry did everything
>>he could to keep Madison out of the First Congress so he could not
>> propose
>>the Bill of Rights."  I trust the book is a bit more clearly written.
>>  Far from attempting to keep Madison out of congress "SO he could not
>>propose the Bill of Rights," (emphasis added) Henry and his
>>anti-Federalist allies, first, denied Madison a seat in the Senate in
>>favor of their own Richard Henry Lee and William Grayson (senators were
>>elected by the state legislatures). Then campaigned hard against Madison
>>for the House of Representatives until Madison had to promise to push
>>for a bill of rights in order to win election to the house.
>>  Presumably the implication to the effect that Henry and his allies
>>sought to keep Madison out of Congress _in order to prevent him from
>>proposing a bill of rights_ is a slip of the pen in the blurb not the
>>book.
>>
>>
>>Dr. Jon Kukla, Executive Vice-President
>>Red Hill - The Patrick Henry National Memorial
>>1250 Red Hill Road
>>Brookneal, Virginia 24528
>>www.redhill.org
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>>
>>>From: Richard Labunski [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:30
>>>Subject: James Madison and the Bill of Rights
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Colleague:
>>>
>>>I am a professor at the University of Kentucky and the author of the new
>>>book, "James Madison and the Struggle for the Bill of Rights."  It will
>>>be published in early June by Oxford University Press in its "Pivotal
>>>Moments in American History" series.  (The series co-editors are James
>>>McPherson and David Hackett Fischer).
>>>
>>>The book tells the incredible story of how the exceedingly shy Madison
>>>overcame one obstacle after another to help give the nation the
>>>Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  Few people, including those
>>>otherwise interested in the founding period, know how close we came to
>>>not having the Bill of Rights then or perhaps ever.
>>>
>>>The book relies heavily on primary sources and will appeal to general
>>>audiences as well as historians and other scholars.  It has 35
>>>illustrations including letters, photos, portraits, legislative
>>>documents, and newspaper commentaries related to the founding and
>>>ratification era.
>>>
>>>You can learn more about the book, read an excerpt, advance praise and
>>>reviews, and see some of the illustrations here:
>>><www.richardlabunski.com <http://www.richardlabunski.com/> >.
>>>
>>>There is much in the book about Virginia political history, including
>>>discussion of the General Assembly, the Virginia ratifying convention,
>>>and the role that the state's prominent Anti-Federalists played in the
>>>ratification debate.  The political battle between Madison and the
>>>charismatic Patrick Henry is especially interesting and compelling.
>>>Henry did everything he could to keep Madison out of the First Congress
>>>so he could not propose the Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>>Amazon is currently offering a pre-publication discount of 37 percent.
>>>You can order it through the Amazon link at my Web site.
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>Richard Labunski
>>>
>>>(Would you also please forward this e-mail to someone who may be
>>>interested in the book? Thanks.)
>>>
>>>
>>>Richard Labunski
>>>School of Journalism and Telecommunications
>>>University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 40506-0042
>>>Office:  (859) 257-5719
>>>Home fax:  (859) 873-3557
>>>Author of: James Madison and the Struggle
>>>for the Bill of Rights http://richardlabunski.com
>>><http://richardlabunski.com/>
>>>Internship Web site http://jatinternships.uky.edu
>>><http://jatinternships.uky.edu/>
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