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Cynthia,

I am undecided what to study in additional courses. History would be one 
option, as would additional work in online pedagogy. The main purpose of the 
Famous Americans is to provide a resource to primary students, and special 
needs students, which is why Nat Turner was not originally included. He is 
not studied by the K-5 crowd.

If you looked at my sources for Nat Turner you would have known that I got 
it from more than Wikipedia. PBS has a good site on him as do several 
African-American sources. To me, it makes much more sense to use 
African-American sources for an African-American than to just take the word 
of those who paid little attention to the man until after he exploded.

From a psychological point of view, Nat Turner is, perhaps an excellent 
study in what it takes to make a person explode. Was it the indignity of 
having been sold a few times that caused him to lash out? Was it the 
constant friction between his intelligence and the perhaps lack of same in 
his owners that eventually caused him to boil over?

And, if you are supposed to look at the consequences of the event, you can 
look at the morality of those who inflicted more deaths to slaves than there 
were deaths to avenge, and those who chose to ignore the message as an 
indictment of the inhumanity of slavery and imposed harsher laws. You may 
want to have your student examine the response of the slaveowners and 
legislators from a moral standpoint. Being given a clear message that 
slavery resulted in a savage outburst, was theirs the moral action?

I hope you will not allow your students to conclude that the action of the 
legislature was justified, and that Nat Turner "brought this on his own 
kind".

You may ask your students to compare this desperate act with the violent 
riots of the 1960's that were the impetus of Civil Rights legislation. You 
may ask your students to compare the response of legislators for both 
events.

There is much that a teacher with the time and the intelligence of students 
on her side can do with this event. It could be to the benefit of your 
students to have them explore this event in a larger context than you are 
doing. Don't stop at examining only the consequences, as if they were 
inevitable, but look at what the consequences tell us about those who 
enacted them.

You may even ask your students to compare the consequences with Jefferson's 
quote about slavery - having "The Wolf by the ears" - being unable to either 
hold the wolf nor turn him free.

Anne


Anne Pemberton
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Subject: Re: And Now Nat Turner


> Anne,
>    No self-respecting historian would use Wikipedia as  a legitimate 
> source.
> You need to go to graduate school and learn about  historiography and the
> methodology of writing history.  Your research  methods are lacking.  My 
> 11th
> grade students know not to use  Wikipedia.
>
> Cynthia Hasley
>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2008 11:45:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Tom,
>
> A friend made a new blog and asked me to try is out. My  first entry was 
> an
> examination of what should be taught to children in  elementary and 
> secondary
> school about those people who live good lives and  then do one bad thing 
> vs
> those who live a bad life and do one or two good  things. (Nat Turner the
> former and John Paul Joes the later). The friend  who asked me to do the 
> blog
> responded with the suggestion that I include  another site for "Infamous
> Americans" and put those questionable people  under that heading.
>
> Maybe that is the solution to the problem. Include  those with infamous
> activities in their lives on the Infamous Americans  site perhaps with a
> cross link to where they are included under the Famous  Americans.
>
> I need to mull this over for a bit to make a decision to  have a parallel
> site. It will take a lot of work to round up enough  Infamous Americans to
> make the site worth visiting. And, I have other  things on my plate 
> including
> coding math sheets for random numbers and  more universal applications.
> Usually I do one or two Famous Americans  every month or so. So if I start
> it, it will not be overwhelming to begin  with, but a small start with a 
> few
> people, like John Paul Jones, Jefferson  Davis, Harry Byrd, and Nat 
> Turner,
> all of whom did some good in their  lives, but did the bad as well.
>
> Anne  Pemberton
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.erols.com/apembert
> http://www.educationalsynthesis.org
> -----  Original Message ----- 
> From: "Excalibur131"  <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent:  Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:20 PM
> Subject: Re: And Now Nat  Turner
>
>
>> Would Nat Turner be a "Famous American" or an "Infamous  American?"
>>
>> Was Nat Turner a "Famous American" or "Infamous  American" at all,
>> considering his only qualification was his  methodical slaughter of white
>> civilians during the  uprising?
>>
>> Tom
>> South Central Virginia &  More
>> http://socenva.com
>>
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