Actually the New England secession movement started earlier than that -- at least by the time of the Jefferson presidency. But it wasn't just New England -- it also included New York. Alexander Hamilton was deeply involved and one of his motives for trying to block Aaron Burr's political career in New York in 1804 was to prevent the ambitious Burr from getting wind of the disunion project -- knowing that Burr would want to lead it to his own advantage. Of course, that backfired, Hamilton was killed, and Burr went on the try his hand as dissolving the union elsewhere.
But the question of secession's un-constitutionality has been settled already, so I doubt the yankees will go.
David Kiracofe
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Of course, the first secession movement was a northern one as a result of northern dissatisfaction over the War of 1812 and against their valued trading partner, England.
I wouldn't mind if those northern states re-raised the issue and acted on it.
J South
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There is strong evidence that one of the Vice Presidential candidates is/was
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> In fact, from 1825-1840 the cadets at West Point learned government from
> the text of William Rawle's book, A View of the Constitution of the United
> States of America.? The book taught the prevailing view that secession was
> an absolute right of each state, which could decide at any time whether it
> wanted to continue as a member of the Union.?
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> Lincoln never gave the US courts the opportunity to render an opinion on
> the Constitutionality of secession.? He just summarily called for the
> raising of an army to invade the initially seceding states, and thereby
> drove states that had not yet seceded, like Virginia, out of the Union;
> and drove REL into the service of Virginia rather than the Federal
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> I suspect we have not heard the last of secession in the US.?
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> At the time there was considerable debate as to the legality of secession.
> It was resolved, rather messily by the war. But constitutionally, it is my
> understanding, that the right of secession is still debatable. So it was
> not "illegal". And for the record before Anne jumps all over me, as far as
> I know all of my relatives, including the Lees, were Yankees.??
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>> Actually, the president only acted AFTER the south illegally > seceded,
>> and then attacked the federal garrison at Fort Sumpter. > Even had the
>> secession been legal, which it wasn't, taking over the > Fort at Sumpter
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