"Nevertheless, Ms. Hemmings seemed to pop out babies from among her
"homies" in the slave population left and right,
not apparently knowing exactly who the fathers were in most cases. "
--------------
The above statement is totally unnecessary. Until now, I thought
Yojsouth was being "evil treated" by this list. I am not a fan of the
politically correct, and I don't have any particular knowledge about
Sally Hemmings personal hygiene or relationships with men.
However, as a woman, I resent the above quoted statement. No woman
should be referred to in this manner - regardless of the parentage of
the children.
Yojsouth has made a nasty statement, and my Grandmother would have
whipped him with a hairbrush for such a crude comment. Nasty, nasty,
nasty! Politcal correctness and/or historical accuracy have nothing to
do with it. This is simply
ill-bred nasty talk.
Elizabeth C. Kambourian
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 4:32 am
Subject: Re: Yojsouth
You may recall that Henry VIII never consummated his marriage to Anne
of
Cleves (the daughter of the German Emperor) because, as he reportedly
told
Cromwell, she "smelled of the stable."
Intentional lack of personal hygiene was a common form of
contraception in
England during medieval and later times. See, The Family, Sex and
Marriage In
England 1500-1800, by Lawrence Stone (Harper 1979). It seems to have
been
an effective tool vis-a-vis those of British heritage.
If slaves were worked to death, 16 hours a day, with barely time to
rest at
night, and their quarters were as unsanitary and filthy as contemporary
reports claim, there is no doubt that your average black indentured
servant was no
joy to be around. A fit paramour for the middle-aged TJ.....I doubt
it and there is no factual
evidence to definitively prove otherwise. Yet, apparently the
Virginia
public school system sees fit to allow its youth to be taught about
TJ's
parentage, probably in greater detail than what he really meant to the
Commonwealth
and the US.
I am no huge fan of Jefferson. His figurative "wall of separation"
letter,
penned 13 years after Congress wrote the Establishment Clause
(something
Jefferson had absolutely nothing to do with drafting) was the basis
for the
Supreme Court leading us down the road of banning school prayer and a
myriad of
other Constitutionally bankrupt interpretations of the First
Amendment. So, as
far as I am concerned, there might not have been a "wall of
separation"
between Ms. Hemmings and he. However, without definitive factual
proof, that
allegation should not be made as if "everyone who has any brains"
knows it to
be true.
Frankly, even I am tiring of this line of debate.
JD Southmayd a/k/a J South
In a message dated 5/16/2008 11:56:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Spoken with smoke and mirrors. Thank you, Ms. Wills.
I have not defended Yojsouth or attacked you. Not even remotely. Had
you
actually read my post, you would have seen that I asked questions.
Questions
to which you did not then or now respond.
You accuse me of wasting good time and space. It is my time, not
yours, and
I will spend it as I see fit. As for the space, after reading some of
the
scathing posts directed to or about Yojsouth, I felt the questions I
asked
just might put a somewhat different light on the matter. You were free
to
agree, disagree, or refrain from any comment at all. But, as typical,
you
choose to take my post, denigrate it, and strut the holier-than-thou
card.
I recommend you read and follow your own words. Certainly if they
apply to
you they apply equally to all. I quote:
"Unless and until I hear from the person that does monitor the board,
I will
assume that my post are on target. Again, I have received nothing from
the
ACTUAL monitors of the Virginia History List, so I will continue to
post."
and another "By the way, you do not own the list, and you do not
control the
information that flows on it." and another "Again, until the MODERATOR
of
the list pulls me aside and ask me to refrain from posting, I will
post what
I want. Now when a posting does not pertain to me I tend to pass it
up, but
you do not have the same restrains. Are you bored, why don't you get a
hobby, such as Genealogy. After all you are right here at the site,
why
don't you use it?" and another "I wouldn't believe you if your tongue
came
notarized."
These are your words, Ms. Wills. I did not make them up, change them,
or
comment on their worth.
By your own admission you do see and read things from Yojsouth.
Otherwise
how do you account for the statement you made below, "...the only time
I see
anything from yosouth, is when someone responds and attaches his
(mostly
negative) post?" As for me, what on earth does the number of "posts
you have
responded to over the last week, let alone anytime prior to that."
have to
do with anything?
You are correct about one thing, but you didn't go far enough. Allow
me.
This post AND your preceding post have nothing to do with the VA-HIST
list.
Tom
Eastern Shore & More
http://easternshoremore.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yojsouth
Yes, and here you are wasting good time and space defending him (or
attacking me). If you read my posts you would know that the only time
I see
anything from yosouth, is when someone responds and attaches his
(mostly
negative) post. I cannot tell you which posts you have responded to
over
this last week, let alone anytime prior to that. So it is interesting
to me
that you would make a statement like that about me. In fact I will
not be
reading or responding to any of your postings, since this is a
Virginia
History list, and you do not seem interested in History.
Anita
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:06:25 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Yojsouth
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> As I said, surmise what you will from the word "fear." From your
three
> sentences, I wonder if you bothered to read my entire post?
>
> I do not believe the subject of Yojsouth's identity came up until
Tom Ray
> presented it yesterday, the 15th. As we can all see, that question
has
> been
> answered.
>
> You apparently believe Yojsouth is hateful and ignorant. That is your
> opinion and I do not have a problem with you having an opinion. If
in fact
> he is hateful and ignorant, and I don't know that he is, I am glad
it is
> out
> in the open. So many people hide behind veiled words and questionable
> intelligence to cover their hate and ignorance from the public. They
are
> blind to their own shortcomings and, when confronted, refuse to
> acknowledge
> the possibility.
>
> On the other hand, you said "I do not read or respond to anything
that he
> has written." Yet you seem to be in on every thread, complete with
> comments,
> on posts concerning him or what he has said. If you do not read what
he
> has
> said, how can you comment at all about anything concerning him?
>
> Tom
> Eastern Shore & More
> http://easternshoremore.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anita Wills" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Yojsouth
>
>
> I have not heard anyone say they fear Yojsouth. What people are
saying is
> why does this person have to hide their true identity? I don't fear
hate
> and
> ignorance, I pity it.
>
> Anita
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