I'm sure that you're right. That divided opinion probably goes right back
to those who originally adopted the constitution.
Sam Treynor
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Sam,
I believe that there was an honest belief by Southern states, shared by many
in the North, that secession was a constitutional right for whatever reason
a state chose to exercise it. The words "perpetual union" were not
enshrined in the constitution. Certainly there was and still is a divided
opinion on the legality of secession.
Those who believe that secession was a legal act, are perforce ill treated
by those who mock the use of the term "War of Northern Aggression".
Ed Truslow
Williamsburg
>From: Sam Treynor <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: 2008/06/26 Thu AM 11:15:43 CDT
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>Military occupation may be the normal fate of conquered countries, but that
>does not make it "legal and appropriate", especially if the occupying
forces
>are the perpetrators of a war of aggression. This would apply, for
example,
>to the Roman occupation of Britain, or the British occupation of India.
>Whether it applies to the Southern Reconstruction depends on whether the
>South had a right to secede.
>
>The debate over whether there was a constitutional right to secede has a
>long history and appears to me to be inconclusive. But we might want to
>consider whether there is a moral right to secede. The right of the people
>of a particular geographical territory to exercise self-determination is
>frequently asserted (Bosnia and Kosovo) and seems to be a reasonable
>corollary to the idea of democratic government.
>
>Sam Treynor
>
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>
>I have always found this controversy to be somewhat ironic.
>
>Suppose we agree that Lincoln was correct, and that secession was an
illegal
>and unconstitutional act. If that is the case, then Lincoln's approach to
>reconstruction was correct, and Southern grievances over the military
>occupation of the South have some legitimacy. But it also means that the
>official title for the war, the "War of the Rebellion," is constitutionally
>descriptive and accurate.
>
>On the other hand, we might imagine that secession was legal, and that as a
>consequence, the South in fact left the Union. If that is the case,
>however, then the Northern victory in the war was decisive, and the
military
>occupation of the South was legal and appropriate. The South was a
conquered
>country, and suffered the normal fate of conquered countries--occupation,
>and reconstruction.
>
>So it seems to me that logically and consistently, you can either term the
>civil war as "the war of Northern aggression," and accept the legitimacy of
>the military occupation and reconstruction that followed Southern defeat,
or
>you can decry reconstruction, but accept that the South was in illegal
>rebellion against the lawful government of the Union. But it does seem
hard
>to me to hold both beliefs at the same time.
>
>All best,
>Kevin
>Kevin R. Hardwick, Ph.D.
>Department of History
>James Madison University
>
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