This is the stereotypical feminist approach. All men are pigs and when it
comes to sex don't care with whom they participate or under what conditions.
You wish.
I find that this mind set is wishful thinking on the part of many feminists
who only wish men didn't take into account attractiveness, intelligence, and
other features and characteristics in their paramours. I doubt Betty Friedan
would have been a target for TJ or anyone else.
JD Southmayd
a/k/a/J South
In a message dated 5/16/2008 8:15:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
That is a non-argument. Unless Jefferson (and Franklin) were OCD, I doubt
they would be bothered by cleanliness when looking to hook up. How many
cultured, powdered and wigged men consorted with pretty unkempt/unclean women of
the night everywhere in the "civilized" world?
--
Melinda C. P. Skinner
Richmond, VA
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> Exactly, and to suppose that an educated, cultured and abnormally hygienic
> man of Jefferson's stature hung out in the slave quarters to satisfy some
> middle-aged sexual urge is ridiculous on its face, at least to another
educated,
> cultured, middle-aged hygienic man.
>
> J.D. Southmayd
> _www.southmayd.net_ (http://www.southmayd.net) is my web site.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/15/2008 3:39:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Jeffrey --
>
> I am well aware of the appalling hygiene and diseases of slaves in
> the 18th century, but that is hardly the limit. As I have written
> elsewhere I think one of the things that brought Franklin and
> Jefferson together was their personal cleanliness, which was notable
> in an age when even the wealthy stank. Going to a gathering even of
> the mighty must have been like sticking one's head in the laundry of
> a basketball team after the game. Franklin who, to me, is the most
> interesting of all the Founders was, at one point reputed to be the
> only man in Philadelphia who bathed daily, and certainly one of the
> very few who actually had a purpose built bathtub. Slaves, being at
> the bottom of the social hierarchy naturally got the least, and
> suffered the most. But disease and death were commonplace whatever
> one's rank. Just look at the number of 18th century planters who had
> multiple wives, because so many women died in childbirth. The common
> state of hygiene in the colonies was far worse, and the medical
> options less, than would have been found in a comparable setting in
> the Roman empire.
>
> -- Stephan
>
>
> On 15 May 2008, at 13:41, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > Stephan;
> >
> > I am not sure that you found offensive about my post. Perhaps you
> > should
> > read the following on slave hygiene to get a better feel for my
> > point vis-a-vis
> > Mr. Jefferson and Ms. Hemmings:
> >
> >
> > The Health of Slaves on Southern Plantations (Louisiana State
> > University
> > studies) by William Dosite Postell; and
> >
> >
> > (http://www.amazon.com/This-Species-Property-Culture-Galaxy/dp/
> > 0195022459/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210873126&sr=8-31) This
> > Species of Property:
> > Slave Life and Culture in the Old South (Galaxy Books) by Leslie
> > Howard Owens;
> > and
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Medicine and Slavery: The Diseases and Health Care of Blacks in
> > Antebellum
> > Virginia (Blacks in the New World) by Todd L. Savitt.
> >
> >
> > J.D. Southmayd
> > a/k/a J South
> >
> >
> >
> >
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