Jane & Anita,
You talk without addressing my point: -- that is African-American
ancestors/predecessors were maimed, killed and the remainder captured
(- enslaved -) by native African slave-traders, then marched unmercifully
(many dying on the way) to African ports to be sold as slaves to
ships-captains from many countries servicing the eastern and western
hemispheres. Understand these poor people were enslaved _by Africans_ to
sell for profit before they ever arrived in a port to board ship for leaving
the continent -- and this went on for centuries. Please don't so easily
point your fingers only at white slave-traders of limited times, but rather
consider *all* terrible slave-trading practices of a millenium or more.
Please consider my following original source in detail as well, not just
your church-social discussions:
http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/maps.htm
Neil McDonald
From: "Jane Steele" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
> Anita: How right you are. Something like this turned up in a after supper
> discussion at a local church that works closely with my dad's church. His
> sister came home disgusted with the lack of knowledge that people in this
> particular group had about Africa and how advanced it is today. And some
> of these people were well traveled and educated. She lived in Harlem,NYC
> for over fifty years,was active in all types of community service
> organizations and knew many people from Africa and the West Indies. Her
> husband who is now dead was from Jamaica and always said this about a
> "certain group of people" that "You have to teach them every thing.
> "They think that they are so smart but they are quite ignorant". Jane.
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "macbd1" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VA-HIST] Richmond and VA slave Traders, plus Africa
> Anne, I don't understand why you speak with such an admonishing and
> argumentative tone. I actually agree with much of what you say: "It is
> 'not' my intent to belittle subsequent evils within countries where slaves
> were taken (nor to challenge historians' choice of research matters,
> added), with the vastly greater (enslavement) numbers being to other than
> British colonial America and its subsequent United States where slavery
> finally was ended with great loss of military lives." My point from the
> beginning is simply that the magnitude of African enslavement of Africans
> was orders of magnitude greater (number of enslaved and sold) than what
> occurred in the British colonies of America -- and that African
> atrocities, if not genocide of their own people, included horrendous evils
> far beyond that of British colonial America. Freedom for all men, even
> all living creatures, is such a self-evident need and right since the
> beginning of time, not something new in 1776, and one does not need to be
> Christian or even religious to make such a declaration. Mankind
> throughout the ages and the world (that includes Africa for my point) has
> certainly fallen short of their ideals but hopefully is improving, and may
> continue without bitterness toward each other for the shortcomings of our
> ancestors and predecessors in our racial lineages.
>
> Neil McDonald
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Pemberton" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>>
>> Neil,
>>
>> People will study whatever parts of history interest them. Putting the
>> name of an unknown African on a rock at Poquoson would not be correct,
>> inasmuch as the slaves came in initially at Jamestown.
>>
>> But, if you want to make the point that Africans enslaved Africans before
>> the British came to the idea, go ahead and write a book or two and make
>> your case. In the meantime, those interested in naming the AMERICANS who
>> were complicit in this long chain of immorality, should not be
>> challenged. The CHRISTIANS and those who cheered for and/or signed the
>> Declaration of Independence were promising a NEW way of living, an
>> attempt at true freedom for man, and then a decade later turned their
>> backs on those brought here as slaves.
>>
>> How can men claim morality when they profess their love of their own
>> freedom and deny that self-same freedom to their neighbors and workers?
>>
>> Anne
>
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