Thanks, Paul.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Shelton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: sherman
> Randy,
>
> Here's a link to info on the Patton family at VMI. Their only connection
to
> Winchester is that Gen. Patton's grandfather was killed in the Battle of
> Winchester in 1864. These Pattons were from Fredericksburg and Culpeper.
> Patton grew up in San Gabriel and Los Angeles California.
>
> http://web.vmi.edu/archives/~archtml/patton.html
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Cabell [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 2:02 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: sherman
>
>
> Egad, what a hornets nest :)) A couple of points.
>
> #1 - A lighter note. My great grandmother (who died before I knew her)
was
> 9 years old when Sherman came through Milledgville, GA on the way to the
> sea. She rememberd two things:
>
> - His troops could not catch the guinea hens to cook them -- I
> understand they are FAST chickens
> - They poured molassases down the organ pipes of the Epicsopal Church.
>
> #2 - Patton. I don't know where George S. Patton grew up but his family
> roots are in Winchester, Virginia. Two Patton brothers are buried in the
> Confederate Cemetery in Winchester. He attended one year at Virginia
> Military Institute (may have been in George C. Marshall's class, but I
> forget), then went on to West Point where he graduated. I believe at one
> point (1939-1941) he was stationed at Ft. McPherson, Georgia where he
> commanded the Third Army.
>
> Randy Cabell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Shelton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: sherman
>
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > I'm sorry, but Patton was a Californian. Perhaps you've confused him
with
> > the actor who played him in the movie - George C. Scott - who was born
in
> > Virginia.
> >
> > -Paul Shelton
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Finkelman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:27 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: sherman
> >
> >
> > One might view Sherman as the man who was responsible for freeing more
> human
> > being from bondage than any other person. His march from the
Mississippi
> to
> > the
> > Atlantic Ocean resulted in the liberation of more than a million slaves
> and
> > the
> > destruction of a nation, whose "cornerstone," accoring to its own Vice
> > President, was slavery. I suppose we should not be surprised that those
> who
> > lost their slaves, and the wealth that came from it, hated General
> Sherman.
> > His
> > tactics, ironically, were no different that those of laster used by
> > Eisenhower,
> > Patton (a Virginian) and the rest of the Allied High Command in World
War
> > II, to
> > prevent the enemy from making war, by destroying the enemy's ability to
> make
> > war. We used the same tactic against Japan, only with carpet bombing
> and
> > firebombing.
> >
> > Gross and vile? Interesting terms. I am not sure what "gross" means
here
> > (disgusting, ill mannered, overweight?) Vile. I would reserve that
term,
> at
> > least in the American context, to perhaps traitors, who having taken
oaths
> > of
> > allegience to the United States, made war against the United States when
> > they
> > did not like the outcome of a presidential election.
> >
> > Paul Finkelman (father of a first generation Virginian!)
> >
> > --
> > Paul Finkelman
> > Chapman Distinguished Professor
> > University of Tulsa College of Law
> > 3120 East 4th Place
> > Tulsa, Oklahoma 74104-2499
> >
> > 918-631-3706 (office)
> > 918-631-2194 (fax)
> >
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Deane wrote:
> >
> > > Well, let me just say this.
> > > I am a 54 year old housewife with nothing but Southern roots on each
> side
> > of
> > > my family, so I admit to a strong bias.
> > > My paternal grandparents were born in North Carolina in the 1880's.
> > > My maternal grandparents were born in Tidewater Virginia in the
1880's.
> > > During my childhood and formative years in the 1950's, it was their
> > > reflections on their parents' lives that shaped my thinking and taught
> me
> > to
> > > regard certain aspects of Southern American history the way I do.
> > > I certainly will not bore you folks with that.
> > > However, it was my beloved and dear and college degreed (i.e., not
> > ignorant
> > > red neck) grandparents who taught me that men like Sherman were gross
> and
> > > vile.
> > > On the other hand, one of my grandfathers (whose name was Wade
Hampton
> > > King) had a brother whose middle name was Grant......that brother was
> > named
> > > after Ulysses Grant. The family legend has it that my
great-grandfather
> > > named that son after the Union general out of gratitude for being able
> to
> > > take his horse home from Appomatox.
> > > In fairness, I think that it was the horrors of Reconstruction.... the
> > > salted fields that the Yankee troops had left behind them along with
> > > poisoned water wells, needlessly slaughtered live stock, the
ring-barked
> > > fruit and nut trees and the resulting starvation that caused the
deepest
> > and
> > > most induring bitterness.
> > > I do not think that Margaret Mitchell's book created myths. I think
> that
> > > when many Southerners read GONE WITH THE WIND they were relieved that
> > after
> > > so many decades someone had finally come close to putting it right and
> > > putting it down on paper.....and better yet, folks everywhere were
> reading
> > > it and, perhaps, coming to a better understanding, albeit a
romanticized
> > > one, of what Southerners tended to be like.
> > > I could go on and on and on, but I won't.
> > > I could tell you about the teacher I had in college in the 1960's who
> > asked
> > > me (the only southerner in that small Vermont college), "Is it true
that
> > you
> > > Southerners despise the blacks, the Jews and the Catholics. And if so,
> > why?"
> > > I was so flabberghasted that I could not answer except to say, "Why
no.
> We
> > > just hate Yankees!"
> > > I could try to describe to you the anguish on my own mother's face as
> she
> > > told me about her own grandmother's stories of eating insects and make
> > 'tea'
> > > out of shoe leather after the "Wah".
> > > I can hear my mother now, telling me how her grandmother said over and
> > over
> > > and over,
> > > "We were SO hungry."
> > > Deane Ferguson Mills
> > > a 13th generation Tidewater Virginian and proud of it.
> > >
> > > > I agree with your assessment of Margaret Mitchell's role in
tarnishing
> > any
> > > > understanding of Sherman. But no matter what is written, I'm
afraid,
> > > some
> > > > Southerners, and nearly all Native Americans, will continue having a
> > > > difficult time believing Sherman had any noble purpose in waging all
> out
> > > > war, either against the Confederacy, or against the Sioux and other
> > > Western
> > > > peoples he subjugated in the Indian Wars.
> > > >
> > > > -Paul Shelton
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Watkinson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:21 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: sherman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Harold is right. Total war is key. There was a review of a bio of
> > > Sherman
> > > > 2 or 3 weeks ago in the NYT Review of Books which strongly suggested
> > that
> > > > the man who said "war is hell" believed he could end the war
sooner --
> > and
> > > > stop the carnage -- by fighting the war in a differrent manner.
This
> > > seems
> > > > to ring true. Margaret Mitchell (and David Selznick) probably did
> more
> > to
> > > > set back the cause of understanding the war than anyone who has ever
> > > lived.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Watkinson
> > > >
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