BUT, it took bayonets and a 4 year war, and it was 'proven' illegal only
by defeat, not from the beginning. Proven is the wrong word, just because
the North won, doesn't mean the South was wrong in the beginning. By
force, and only by force, was it 'proven' but then, force doesn't prove
anything except that the 'bully' can have his way.
M. Westbrook
--- Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The point is that when tested, it was indeed proven illegal. The south
> chose the instrument of testing it.
>
> Anne
>
> At 05:11 AM 3/11/03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Anne,
> >
> >It wasn't a 'teacher', but the course approved by the government (or
> >whoever then approved course materials) for West Point, and one of the
> >main sources was a text by a gentleman by the name of Rawls, a
> gentleman I
> >understand to be an academic and legal leader of his time; however, I
> must
> >admit, I'm not that much up on Rawls, as I'm sure most students today
> >aren't up on the authors of their text books either.
> >
> >I still stand by my belief that secession was legal, only proven
> otherwise
> >by the point of a bayonet.
> >
> >Maitland
> >
> >--- Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Maitland,
> > >
> > > Lee should have stayed with his feeling that secession was wrong.
> His
> > > teacher at West Point was not correct that it was legal.
> > >
> > > Anne
> > >
> > > At 01:54 AM 3/11/03 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >Anne,
> > > >
> > > >Lee felt strongly that secession was the wrong [incorrect], thing
> to do
> > > >and that the sections should continue to work out their
> differences.
> > > He
> > > >felt it was legal for the South to seceed, and stated so. He had
> > > stated
> > > >that if he had not been taught that secession was legal at West
> Point
> > > (via
> > > >Rawls, etc), he would not have resigned his commission.
> > > >
> > > >He thought it [secession] was not the right thing to do, but, it
> was
> > > >legal.
> > > >
> > > >Maitland Westbrook
> > > >
> > > >--- Anne Pemberton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > Maitland, I'm confused. You say Lee say secession was wrong.
> Are
> > > you
> > > > > making a distinction between "wrong" and illegal? Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > Virginia did not wish to secede; R.E. Lee even voiced his
> opinion
> > > that
> > > > > it
> > > > > >was the wrong thing to do. Only after Lincoln called for
> troops to
> > > > > invade
> > > > > >the South, did the high South vote to withdraw, and even then,
> > > there
> > > > > were
> > > > > >wishes that the situation could be settled peacefully, as
> witness
> > > by
> > > > > the
> > > > > >Southern delegation that went to Washington, but were refused
> to be
> > > > > seen.
> > > > > >Yes, negoations could have helped, if the North would have sat
> down
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > >table and talked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm sorry to see PC and accepted 'victors' writings being
> accepted
> > > as
> > > > > >fact. Many leaders of the South would not have sided with the
> > > > > >Confederacy, including R.E. Lee, if secession had not been
> legal,
> > > and
> > > > > they
> > > > > >said so. Virginia reserved the right to withdraw from the
> union in
> > > > > it's
> > > > > >approving document of the constitution, and was accepted by the
> > > union
> > > > > as
> > > > > >such. Action on one's reserved rights in an legal document
> > > accepted by
> > > > > >all concerned, can hardly be called illegal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anne Pemberton
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