Believe he (Patton) is buried at Mt. Hebron Cemetery, Winchester, VA.
Madaline
--On Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:56 AM -0400 "Johnson, Eric"
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> The confusion probably stems from the fact that Patton went to VMI (before
> attending West Point), as did his father, grandfather, and three of his
> granduncles, all of whom were from Virginia. Patton's father moved to Los
> Angeles as an attorney before Gen. Patton was born.
>
> --Eric
>
>> I'm sorry, but Patton was a Californian. Perhaps you've
>> confused him with
>> the actor who played him in the movie - George C. Scott - who
>> was born in
>> Virginia.
>>
>> -Paul Shelton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Finkelman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:27 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: sherman
>>
>>
>> One might view Sherman as the man who was responsible for
>> freeing more human
>> being from bondage than any other person. His march from the
>> Mississippi to
>> the
>> Atlantic Ocean resulted in the liberation of more than a
>> million slaves and
>> the
>> destruction of a nation, whose "cornerstone," accoring to its own Vice
>> President, was slavery. I suppose we should not be surprised
>> that those who
>> lost their slaves, and the wealth that came from it, hated
>> General Sherman.
>> His
>> tactics, ironically, were no different that those of laster used by
>> Eisenhower,
>> Patton (a Virginian) and the rest of the Allied High Command
>> in World War
>> II, to
>> prevent the enemy from making war, by destroying the enemy's
>> ability to make
>> war. We used the same tactic against Japan, only with
>> carpet bombing and
>> firebombing.
>>
>> Gross and vile? Interesting terms. I am not sure what
>> "gross" means here
>> (disgusting, ill mannered, overweight?) Vile. I would
>> reserve that term, at
>> least in the American context, to perhaps traitors, who
>> having taken oaths
>> of
>> allegience to the United States, made war against the United
>> States when
>> they
>> did not like the outcome of a presidential election.
>>
>> Paul Finkelman (father of a first generation Virginian!)
>>
>> --
>> Paul Finkelman
>> Chapman Distinguished Professor
>> University of Tulsa College of Law
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Deane wrote:
>>
>> > Well, let me just say this.
>> > I am a 54 year old housewife with nothing but Southern
>> roots on each side
>> of
>> > my family, so I admit to a strong bias.
>> > My paternal grandparents were born in North Carolina in the 1880's.
>> > My maternal grandparents were born in Tidewater Virginia in
>> the 1880's.
>> > During my childhood and formative years in the 1950's, it was their
>> > reflections on their parents' lives that shaped my thinking
>> and taught me
>> to
>> > regard certain aspects of Southern American history the way I do.
>> > I certainly will not bore you folks with that.
>> > However, it was my beloved and dear and college degreed (i.e., not
>> ignorant
>> > red neck) grandparents who taught me that men like Sherman
>> were gross and
>> > vile.
>> > On the other hand, one of my grandfathers (whose name was
>> Wade Hampton
>> > King) had a brother whose middle name was Grant......that
>> brother was
>> named
>> > after Ulysses Grant. The family legend has it that my
>> great-grandfather
>> > named that son after the Union general out of gratitude for
>> being able to
>> > take his horse home from Appomatox.
>> > In fairness, I think that it was the horrors of
>> Reconstruction.... the
>> > salted fields that the Yankee troops had left behind them along with
>> > poisoned water wells, needlessly slaughtered live stock,
>> the ring-barked
>> > fruit and nut trees and the resulting starvation that
>> caused the deepest
>> and
>> > most induring bitterness.
>> > I do not think that Margaret Mitchell's book created
>> myths. I think that
>> > when many Southerners read GONE WITH THE WIND they were
>> relieved that
>> after
>> > so many decades someone had finally come close to putting
>> it right and
>> > putting it down on paper.....and better yet, folks
>> everywhere were reading
>> > it and, perhaps, coming to a better understanding, albeit a
>> romanticized
>> > one, of what Southerners tended to be like.
>> > I could go on and on and on, but I won't.
>> > I could tell you about the teacher I had in college in the
>> 1960's who
>> asked
>> > me (the only southerner in that small Vermont college), "Is
>> it true that
>> you
>> > Southerners despise the blacks, the Jews and the Catholics.
>> And if so,
>> why?"
>> > I was so flabberghasted that I could not answer except to
>> say, "Why no. We
>> > just hate Yankees!"
>> > I could try to describe to you the anguish on my own
>> mother's face as she
>> > told me about her own grandmother's stories of eating
>> insects and make
>> 'tea'
>> > out of shoe leather after the "Wah".
>> > I can hear my mother now, telling me how her grandmother
>> said over and
>> over
>> > and over,
>> > "We were SO hungry."
>> > Deane Ferguson Mills
>> > a 13th generation Tidewater Virginian and proud of it.
>> >
>> > > I agree with your assessment of Margaret Mitchell's role
>> in tarnishing
>> any
>> > > understanding of Sherman. But no matter what is
>> written, I'm afraid,
>> > some
>> > > Southerners, and nearly all Native Americans, will
>> continue having a
>> > > difficult time believing Sherman had any noble purpose in
>> waging all out
>> > > war, either against the Confederacy, or against the Sioux
>> and other
>> > Western
>> > > peoples he subjugated in the Indian Wars.
>> > >
>> > > -Paul Shelton
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Jim Watkinson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:21 PM
>> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > Subject: sherman
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Harold is right. Total war is key. There was a review
>> of a bio of
>> > Sherman
>> > > 2 or 3 weeks ago in the NYT Review of Books which
>> strongly suggested
>> that
>> > > the man who said "war is hell" believed he could end the
>> war sooner --
>> and
>> > > stop the carnage -- by fighting the war in a differrent
>> manner. This
>> > seems
>> > > to ring true. Margaret Mitchell (and David Selznick)
>> probably did more
>> to
>> > > set back the cause of understanding the war than anyone
>> who has ever
>> > lived.
>> > >
>> > > Jim Watkinson
>> > >
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